Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania | February 17, 2023 | Competing with Eternals on RT, Competing with BvS on box office legs

[Psylocke]

2 minutes ago, Favorite Fearless Legion said:

The average rotten movie in multiverse saga is probably better than the average fresh movie at this point. At least very close.

If so then lose its audience and box office then would be better?

[Willowra]

15 minutes ago, GOGODanca said:

A pg 13 comic book movie should be getting no less than an A- cinemascore, B+ means people thought it was just OK and leads to average/mediocre legs.

Yes, A- or A are more desirable scores than B+ for CBM or any movie, but B+ is not a bad score. B+ means above average, B average, A- good, A very good, A+ great.

[THUNDER BIRD]

26 minutes ago, Willowra said:

Honestly, people need to stop this "quality, quality" chant. A B+ cinemascore and an 80%+ RT audience score are good scores, tbh. A score of 80% or higher means more than 80% of people liked the movie. The audience is the real critic.

Considering audience likes basically anything, especially fans who really can't see that their franchise is doing something wrong, 80% is not good.

 

Especially for a fandom heavy movie line Marvel Movies.

[OncomingStorm93]

Just saw it. 6/10

 

Ant-Man: 8

& The Wasp: 8.2 (not sure why it’s so hated by some)

 

Also compared to:

Multiverse of Madness: 7.5

Love and Thunder: 4

Wakanda Forever: 6.5

 

Poorly written, lacking all the charm of the first two films, a glutton of CGI, including some truly terrible moments as has become the MCU standard. Though I thought Peyton Reed did a reasonable job, but nothing truly special.

 

There’s only one reason to see this movie, Jonathan Majors as Kang. Even if it wasn’t 100% setup for the future, and this was a one-off villain role, it still would count as a top-tier MCU villain. Majors as Kang is everything I was hoping it would be.

 

Cassie’s actress did a good job with the material she was given, which was abysmal.

 

I didn’t like the first post credits scene.

[thajdikt]

RT verified score are inflated. A good score on that has to be 90+. Look at scores:

 

Black Widow: 91% = A- CS

Shang-Chi: 98% score = A CS

Eternals: 77% score = B CS

No Way Home: 99% score = A+ CS

Doctor Strange 2: 85% score = B+ CS

Love and Thunder: 77% = B+ CS

Wakanda Forever: 94% = A CS

 

You clearly see that clear pattern in how RT verified is inflated and that a  good score is 90+. 

Edited February 17, 2023 by thajdikt

[thajdikt]

1 minute ago, OncomingStorm93 said:

 

 

Cassie’s actress did a good job with the material she was given, which was abysmal.

 

YESSS. Holy shit they did her dirty. She got crumbs. 

[Willowra]

38 minutes ago, Favorite Fearless Legion said:

You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, tbh

By "good," I meant an above-average score/not a bad score.

[DTP]

Yeah, I think I'll wait to watch it on D+

[JustLurking]

55 minutes ago, Willowra said:

Yes, A- or A are more desirable scores than B+ for CBM or any movie, but B+ is not a bad score. B+ means above average, B average, A- good, A very good, A+ great.

Cinemascore ranges vary depending on genre, but if we are talking about superhero, you need to move your ranges up. B cannot be average because even complete turds like F4 and Morbius get C/C+. That is basically your bottom range and films cannot land lower than that in this genre. Films that end up on flat B are all bad WOM. B+ is usually mixed. A- and above is where you have your positive WOM.

 

Looking at early RT feels like this will land B+ with an outside chance at B if it keeps going down. Still hard to believe Thor didn't go B because its rt was pointing right there (I was even convinced it did land B somehow).

Edited February 17, 2023 by JustLurking

[Seth Irskens]

And here's our review... 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2023 by Seth Irskens

[Willowra]

16 minutes ago, JustLurking said:

Cinemascore ranges vary depending on genre, but if we are talking about superhero, you need to move your ranges up. B cannot be average because even complete turds like F4 and Morbius get C/C+. That is basically your bottom range and films cannot land lower than that in this genre. Films that end up on flat B are all bad WOM. B+ is usually mixed. A- and above is where you have your positive WOM.

 

Looking at early RT feels like this will land B+ with an outside chance at B if it keeps going down. Still hard to believe Thor didn't go B because its rt was pointing right there (I was even convinced it did land B somehow).

The problem here is that the MCU standard in phases 1-3 was so high that people now consider anything below an "A-" score to be a bad score. Joker also had a B+ score and an 88% RT audience score, but people consider it a very good to great movie. In reality when 80%+ people liking a movie then such a score can't be considered as bad score.

[Flamengo81]

Just now, Willowra said:

The problem here is that the MCU standard in phases 1-3 was so high that people now consider anything below an "A-" score to be a bad score. Joker also had a B+ score and an 88% RT audience score, but people consider it a very good to great movie. In reality when 80%+ people liking a movie then such a score can't be considered as bad score.

Joker is not a movie comparable to MCU movies, even though it's still a CMB movie. A B+ for a controversial and really dark movie as Joker is much better than a B+ for a fun and action packed MCU blockbuster.

[JustLurking]

5 minutes ago, Willowra said:

The problem here is that the MCU standard in phases 1-3 was so high that people now consider anything below an "A-" score to be a bad score. Joker also had a B+ score and an 88% RT audience score, but people consider it a very good to great movie. In reality when 80%+ people liking a movie then such a score can't be considered as bad score.

Joker is not your traditional sh film so of course the ranges would not apply to it. It's a bleak "we live in a society film" so it will never get that kind of consensus. Like I said, range varies depending on genre. If you go to horror films they always score lower for example.

[Willowra]

20 minutes ago, Flamengo81 said:

Joker is not a movie comparable to MCU movies, even though it's still a CMB movie. A B+ for a controversial and really dark movie as Joker is much better than a B+ for a fun and action packed MCU blockbuster.

There is no such set rule that if a fun, action-packed CBM movie gets a B+ score, then it will be considered a bad score. In the end, what matters is how many people liked the movie and how many didn't.

Edited February 17, 2023 by Willowra

[Flamengo81]

4 minutes ago, Willowra said:

There is no such set rule that if a fun, action-packed CBM movie gets a B+ score, then it will be considered a bad score. In the end, what matters is how many people liked the movie and how many didn't.

There is no rule, but there is a clear pattern of light-hearted, fun, action packed movies having mediocre/bad legs with a B+ Cinemascore. It's even more clear when you look just at recent MCU movies with that score: MoM 2.2x and Love and Thunder 2.4x

[Willowra]

37 minutes ago, Flamengo81 said:

There is no rule, but there is a clear pattern of light-hearted, fun, action packed movies having mediocre/bad legs with a B+ Cinemascore. It's even more clear when you look just at recent MCU movies with that score: MoM 2.2x and Love and Thunder 2.4x

I agree with your point about box office legs, but B+ is still not a bad score. But let's have a consensus on PG-13 CBM movies:
B average to bad
B+ average to above-average
A- above average to good
A good to very good
A+ very good to great.

Edited February 17, 2023 by Willowra

[Wormow]

accidental post, delete/ignore.

Edited February 17, 2023 by Wormow
accidental post

[Legion Again]

B horrible

B+ bad

A- average-ish bit weak

A good

A+ sublime

[Hatebox]

2 hours ago, Favorite Fearless Legion said:

The average rotten movie in multiverse saga is probably better than the average fresh movie at this point. At least very close.

lol

[DAJK]

Was not really a fan.