Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania | February 17, 2023 | Competing with Eternals on RT, Competing with BvS on box office legs

[YM!]

6 minutes ago, Favorite Fearless Legion said:

Maybe it's because 4 of the last 5 Disney MCU movies have been received poorly?

Not so much poorly received but mediocre WOM. 

[Cooper Legion]

3 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

"Not as well as endgame" is not the same as "poorly". 

Indeed. You will note that I did not say "4/5 weren't received as well as Endgame" (because that'd be a pretty useless observation) and instead said "4/5 were received poorly" (because 4/5 were received poorly).

Edited February 17, 2023 by Favorite Fearless Legion

[JustLurking]

Just now, Favorite Fearless Legion said:

Indeed. You will note that I did not say "4/5 weren't received as well as Endgame" (because that'd be a pretty useless observation) and instead said "4/5 were received poorly" (because 4/5 were received poorly).

[incoming post about oscar nomination]

[Cooper Legion]

2 minutes ago, YM! said:

Not so much poorly received but mediocre WOM. 

I have no idea what the difference between these two phrases is supposed to be 😅

[SchumacherFTW]

5 minutes ago, Sophia Jane said:

By the way, do you guys really think that the box office current now which is struggling with 500 million is OK?

This is Kang's first emerge in the MCU 5th phase. In terms of importance and structure, we can said this is the small Avengers,Just like Doctor Strange 2, if it is really just the second part of Doctor Strange,the box office is pretty good but consider MOM is the first introduce of Multiverse of Marvel,MOM’s box office is really bad,we can’t just see the title guys.we should see how important it is to Marvel!

For example.Back then, the original movie Captain Marvel earned 1.1 billion dollars worldwide by relying on the popularity of Avengers 4,Captain Marvel was just a hero who played a big role in Avengers 4, but Ant-Man 3 is a work that leads to the villains of Avengers 5,which is equivalent to the prequel of the Avengers, but is gross less than half of the box office of the CM, and you guys just still convince yourselves that the first two Ant-Man films were not a big hit so current result is acceptable?

In my mind This is dangerous sign of Avengers.

The standard for the MCU really dropped by an unknown line,don’t tell me you guys really treat MCU as the Hunger game/Twilight level’s franchise now.

It's hard to really compare Ant 3 with Dr Strange 2 and Captain Marvel. They were each promising different things and gained in different ways. The main things to remember are that Captain Marvel and Muliverse of Madness both piggy backed off of films that were incredibly well received by audiences, hence why that feeds in to them launching really well. Ant-Man on the other hand is coming off of 2 less well received connected movies and a more dour Black Panther movie than the average MCU entry. Add in that this is still to the eyes of the general public an ANT MAN movie, 500m isn't the end of days. Is is it likely a disappointing number? Probably, but this isn't the same scenario as those other two movies. 

[Cooper Legion]

1 minute ago, JustLurking said:

[incoming post about oscar nomination]

That's from the 1/5 -- I'm safe!

[SpiderByte]

1 minute ago, Favorite Fearless Legion said:

Indeed. You will note that I did not say "4/5 weren't received as well as Endgame" (because that'd be a pretty useless observation) and instead said "4/5 were received poorly" (because 4/5 were received poorly).

You're going to seriously claim Black Panther and Doctor Strange were received poorly? Even Thor was received better by actual audiences than critics. Marvel is going to be fine. The never ending sky is falling attitude around here is very annoying.

[Gavin Feng]

Just now, Favorite Fearless Legion said:

I have no idea what the difference between these two phrases is supposed to be 😅

in or out Chinese theaters.

[YM!]

1 minute ago, SchumacherFTW said:

It's hard to really compare Ant 3 with Dr Strange 2 and Captain Marvel. They were each promising different things and gained in different ways. The main things to remember are that Captain Marvel and Muliverse of Madness both piggy backed off of films that were incredibly well received by audiences, hence why that feeds in to them launching really well. Ant-Man on the other hand is coming off of 2 less well received connected movies and a more dour Black Panther movie than the average MCU entry. Add in that this is still to the eyes of the general public an ANT MAN movie, 500m isn't the end of days. Is is it likely a disappointing number? Probably, but this isn't the same scenario as those other two movies. 

The problem in my honest opinion is if it came under Ant Man 1 (515m WW) with China. A gross in between isn’t good as they spent 200m+ on it (an increase for Ant Man movies) but not necessarily endtimes (reception is the bigger fish to fry).

[Cooper Legion]

2 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

You're going to seriously claim Black Panther and Doctor Strange were received poorly? Even Thor was received better by actual audiences than critics. Marvel is going to be fine. The never ending sky is falling attitude around here is very annoying.

Black panther was obviously received well. DS2 and Thor were not though DS2 has more fans and is probably going to go down as the best of the 4, more polarized than straight up bad.

[Willowra]

21 minutes ago, Sophia Jane said:

By the way, do you guys really think that the box office current now which is struggling with 500 million is OK?

This is Kang's first emerge in the MCU 5th phase. In terms of importance and structure, we can said this is the small Avengers,Just like Doctor Strange 2, if it is really just the second part of Doctor Strange,the box office is pretty good but consider MOM is the first introduce of Multiverse of Marvel,MOM’s box office is really bad,we can’t just see the title guys.we should see how important it is to Marvel!

For example.Back then, the original movie Captain Marvel earned 1.1 billion dollars worldwide by relying on the popularity of Avengers 4,Captain Marvel was just a hero who played a big role in Avengers 4, but Ant-Man 3 is a work that leads to the villains of Avengers 5,which is equivalent to the prequel of the Avengers, but is gross less than half of the box office of the CM, and you guys just still convince yourselves that the first two Ant-Man films were not a big hit so current result is acceptable?

In my mind This is dangerous sign of Avengers.

The standard for the MCU really dropped by an unknown line,don’t tell me you guys really treat MCU as the Hunger game/Twilight level’s franchise now.

The dangerous sign for Avengers 5 will be if the movies of the lead characters of Avengers fail at the box office. Who are the leads? Let's say Captain America and Captain Marvel, then their movies have to do well at the box office. Lets say Doctor Strange and CA, then CA NWO has to do well at the box office as DS has already proven himself.

Edited February 17, 2023 by Willowra

[Krissykins]

15 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

You're going to seriously claim Black Panther and Doctor Strange were received poorly? Even Thor was received better by actual audiences than critics. Marvel is going to be fine. The never ending sky is falling attitude around here is very annoying.

Didn’t Thor 4 and Doctor Strange 2 get B+ cinema scores? I think that’s unusual for the MCU. Tomorrow, B cinema scores could become the new normal. 

Edited February 17, 2023 by Krissykins

[SpiderByte]

3 minutes ago, Favorite Fearless Legion said:

Black panther was obviously received well. DS2 and Thor were not though DS2 has more fans and is probably going to go down as the best of the 4, more polarized than straight up bad.

Wait, are you saying No Way Home was received poorly then? What's the 4 out of 5 then?

 

I think people on here are way, way too used to anything less than 80-90, which is why anything less than that for Marvel means "most people hated it" somehow, which is not a metric used for any other franchise.

[kayumanggi]

 

[YM!]

11 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

You're going to seriously claim Black Panther and Doctor Strange were received poorly? Even Thor was received better by actual audiences than critics. Marvel is going to be fine. The never ending sky is falling attitude around here is very annoying.

Dude literally said Black Panther wasn’t one of them. A B+ is good CinemaScore but meaning varies depending on film. This is something we pick up on for following box office in general. For family films and tentpoles, it showed while it was liked, it was overall is a middling score for both genre as the GA tends to be more positive to them anyways and had problems. Out of curiosity, box office wise what are you predicting for Phase 5?

Edited February 17, 2023 by YM!

[Menor the Destroyer]

14 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

You're going to seriously claim Black Panther and Doctor Strange were received poorly? Even Thor was received better by actual audiences than critics. Marvel is going to be fine. The never ending sky is falling attitude around here is very annoying.

Maybe in the trivial sense that practically every blockbuster has a better verified audience score than critics. It's audience scores relative to the other MCU films are much worse than its reviews relative to other MCU films. 

[SchumacherFTW]

18 minutes ago, YM! said:

The problem in my honest opinion is if it came under Ant Man 1 (515m WW) with China. A gross in between isn’t good as they spent 200m+ on it (an increase for Ant Man movies) but not necessarily endtimes (reception is the bigger fish to fry).

Oh you're definitely right there. I do always think it's overestimated how much the average consumer knows about these comic book characters or leaks, the only truly mainstream info that affected these movies was the 3 Spideys in No Way Home.

[JustLurking]

7 minutes ago, Menor Reborn said:

Maybe in the trivial sense that practically every blockbuster has a better verified audience score than critics. It's audience scores relative to the other MCU films are much worse than its reviews relative to other MCU films. 

This. A superhero film literally can't go rotten on audience scores since the introduction of the verified system. It simply cannot happen. Even fucking Morbius!! is not even CLOSE to being rotten. Reading RT means adjusting the scale based on the product. The scale for these films isn't 0-100, it's more like 60-100.

[Cooper Legion]

23 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

Wait, are you saying No Way Home was received poorly then? What's the 4 out of 5 then?

 

I think people on here are way, way too used to anything less than 80-90, which is why anything less than that for Marvel means "most people hated it" somehow, which is not a metric used for any other franchise.

QM Thor DS2 Eternals

 

Nobody said “most people hated it.” It’s just “a lot of people disliked it.” The same nums would be poor reception for other franchises as well.

[Firepower]

45 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

Even Thor was received better by actual audiences than critics.

It got some of the worst audience reviews in the entire MCU, I wouldn't call it a good reception. RT percentage is still somehow barely positive.

Edited February 17, 2023 by Firepower