The Batman | March 4, 2022 | Warner Bros. | Certified Fresh on RT | 7th Most Profitable Movie of 2023

[Notthereverseflash24]

4 minutes ago, Caesar said:

Well no, I think their recent respective box office grosses in their own countries show than the UK loves Bond significantly more than the US loves Batman.

 

Otherwise the US wouldn't have abandoned Batman when Justice League came out.

[Caesar]

8 minutes ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

Justice League is one of the worst movies ever made and still did 90+

It had all the big DC Superheroes together for the first time on the big screen and couldn't even get past $100 million OW.

 

The Batman is just one of those superheroes coming off two bad films in a row, so it stands to reason that this would suggest a sub $100 million OW. If it manages to over perform and either hit or go over $100 million OW then that's a success.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Caesar

[BruiseCruise]

Venom 2 did 90m OW, I think its ludacris to think The Batman can't do ATLEAST 10m more when all the tracking data suggests its doing much better than V2

[Knights of Ren]

The OW floor has always been 150M

[Firepower]

19 minutes ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

Justice League is one of the worst movies ever made and still did 90+ 

Suicide Squad was as bad and managed to do 133+

[Lucas]

3 minutes ago, Firepower said:

Suicide Squad was as bad and managed to do 133+

At no point did it ever feel like the hype for Justice League was anywhere near Suicide Squad.

[Eric S'ennui]

Moderation

 

Please do not mention leaked information/spoilers out in the open. This is supposed to be a spoiler-free forum.

 

I will also say that maybe it's time for you guys to take a break between arguing how big or small the opening will be. It's clear all parties will not change their minds here and the arguments are starting to go on for too long.

[Juby]

25 minutes ago, Caesar said:

It had all the big DC Superheroes together for the first time on the big screen and couldn't even get past $100 million OW.

 

The Batman is just one of those superheroes coming off two bad films in a row, so it stands to reason that this would suggest a sub $100 million OW. If it manages to over perform and either hit or go over $100 million OW then that's a success.

 

JL floped because of many reasons and none of them was Batman. Joker did great and was just 3 years after Jared Leto in Suicide Squad << people knew it's something new without any connection to the "DCEU". The same happens with the new Batman. If You want to compare The Batman with BvS and JL than You should consider one thing - the hype for The Batman is bigger than for any of 'em.

 

People underestimate / underpredicted TDK in 2007-2008. Don't be like those folks, don't underestimate another Batman, cause...

 

[BruiseCruise]

18 minutes ago, Firepower said:

Suicide Squad was as bad and managed to do 133+

suicide squad was hated by critics, fans clearly like it since it not only had a strong opening but really good legs

 

bvs was not liked by both and same with jL

 

 

 

[efialtes76]

10 minutes ago, BruiseCruise said:

suicide squad was hated by critics, fans clearly like it since it not only had a strong opening but really good legs

 

bvs was not liked by both and same with jL

 

 

 

SS-2.48x

JL-2.44x 

Both movies were equally hated/loved.

 

 

Edited February 16, 2022 by efialtes76

[BruiseCruise]

Suicide Squad made almost 750m without china and had really good multipliers in most markets, even better DOM multiplier than Civil War and BvS and only about 80m short of the former domestically iirc

 

The Suicide Squad was a megaflop on the other hand

[XXR & Friends]

34 minutes ago, Knights of Ren said:

The OW floor has always been 150M

Ehhhhh no. Floor means minimum and that’s definitely not the minimum based on presales. Might even be the ceiling.

[Menor the Destroyer]

The hype for Batman is not bigger than BvS, that had crossover hook. It had 29m previews which this one isn't gonna match even with the early screenings.

[AnDr3s]

3 minutes ago, Menor Reborn said:

The hype for Batman is not bigger than BvS, that had crossover hook. It had 29m previews which this one isn't gonna match even with the early screenings.

BvS had 27.7M  i mean BvS isn't even the biggest preview for a batman movie tdkr had 30.6m

[Menor the Destroyer]

5 minutes ago, AnDr3s said:

BvS had 27.7M  i mean BvS isn't even the biggest preview for a batman movie tdkr had 30.6m

Messed that up, even so this movie is reaching neither 27.7 nor 30.6, so that just shows the hype is less than both.

[BruiseCruise]

BvS opened to 166m and TDKR would have done like 190-195m OW if not for aurora so yeah the batman doesn't have that kind of hype and nor should it be expected to, Homecoming did 117m OW, doing better than that would be amazing for the 1st reeves movie

[excel1]

Both BVS and SS opening weekends were lower than they should have been due to WOM. BVS $82m opening day is normally indicative of a near $200m weekend. SS $65m opening day is normally indicative of $150m+, etc. The floor for that wave of DC hero origins was CLEARLY higher than the floor for Marvels first wave of heroes , DC just bungled them horribly.

 

MOS definitely was hyped, but it was also far from what it could have done. It had a veteran cast but no trendy star. It had action, but Snyder's gray, grainy look was far less appealing than the marvel/Michael Bay colorful look. Yes, it was more marketable than the atrociously unmarketable retro-gloomy vibe of SUPERMAN RETURNS, but it was hardly what it could have been. Giving Cavill the ghost-pale skin tone and awkward haircut was a huge marketing miss.

 

One thing Marvel deserves credit for - they remember these things exist primarily to make money and need to presented in a highly commercial fashion as a result. Starting with Avi Arad and 2002's Spider-man and continuing - they understood the need to sell and release the films properly.  DC really missed the boat there by letting their director try and make "art". WB went full commercial this with BATMAN in 1989 and tried to do it with SUPERMAN in the early 2000s but couldn't get it off the ground.

 

2022's BLACK ADAM might be the closest WB gets to this and looks ripe to breakout big time. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by excel1

[Eric S'ennui]

1 minute ago, excel1 said:

One thing Marvel deserves credit for - they remember these things exist primarily to make money and need to presented in a highly commercial fashion as a result. Starting with Avi Arad and 2002's Spider-man and continuing - they understood the need to sell and release the films properly.  DC really missed the boat there by letting their director try and make "art".

[AnDr3s]

i mean a sub 100m OW with 20m+ previews would be a tragedy

[AnDr3s]

10 minutes ago, excel1 said:

 DC really missed the boat there by letting their director try and make "art"

suicide squad 2016 is my favorite art film