The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)

[ThomasNicole]

43 minutes ago, CJohn said:

They already said 45 days. They even mentioned the exact day, it is April 19.

 

https://collider.com/the-batman-hbo-max-release-date/

Editing because i don't think this discussion is going anywhere 

Edited February 23, 2022 by ThomasNicole

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

35 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

I agree with @Derby Legion IM.

 

Batman, in fact DC is previews heavier than Marvel.

 

Film	Previews	Friday	% Share
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight	$18.50	$67.16	27.55%
The Dark Knight Rises	$30.64	$75.75	40.45%
Man of Steel	$21.00	$68.13	30.82%
Batman v Superman	$27.70	$81.56	33.96%
Suicide Squad	$20.50	$64.89	31.59%
Wonder Woman	$11.00	$38.25	28.76%
Justice League	$13.00	$38.47	33.79%
Aquaman	$9.00	$27.73	32.46%
Shazam	$5.90	$20.35	28.99%
Birds of Prey	$4.00	$12.96	30.86%
Wonder Woman 1984		$7.48	0.00%
The Suicide Squad	$4.10	$12.10	33.88%
Joker	$13.30	$39.35	33.80%
The Batman	$20.00	$51.30	39.00%

 

I don't think those 2 days of early access really gonna change things much because almost every one of those would have watched it on THU or may be $500k worth on FRI/SAT.

 

I have been thinking

 

19-21
29-34
37-44
25-32

 

Total - 110-131

Yeah everyone would have watched Thursday or Friday but there’s still a difference between seeing on Tuesday in IMAX during evening with inflated pricing and seeing Thursday at 3 and saving $10. I think that could make an impact of sorts 

[Borobudur]

1 hour ago, Derby Legion said:

Yeah. I think a 45 day window is pretty clear, but I also doubt it matters much. Overlap between people who would go OW and those who wanna wait 45 days is probably pretty small.

If HBO max is a free access, instead of PVOD, then the incentive is bigger and that will be more impactful.  Also, the empty March probably will give Batman some solid hold until Apr 19. The overlap between OW and HBO max crowd can be small but not so much for subsequent week

[titanic2187]

I don’t like all these obligatory and widely promoted streaming date before the movie has even lifted its embargo. So far I think Disney have the best approach among all aside from their pathetic treatment to Pixar release . They are keeping streaming debut date in the dark until later stage and give flexible window according to their box office run, like 60 days for KM, about 70 days for eternals and SC. That being said,  I hope every studio be like Sony. 

[Eric Prime]

23 hours ago, Eric Drake said:

The Batman Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-10 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	2	181	5375	35535	15.13%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 132

 

Comp

2.430x of Black Widow T-10 (32.07M)

2.955x of Eternals T-10 (28.07M)

0.315x of Spider-Man: No Way Home T-10 (15.78M)

 

Adjusted Comp

0.366x of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker T-10 (14.64M)

The Batman Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-9 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	2	181	5546	35535	15.61%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 171

 

Comp

2.338x of Black Widow T-9 (30.86M)

2.917x of Eternals T-9 (27.71M)

0.318x of Spider-Man: No Way Home T-9 (15.9M)

 

Adjusted Comp

0.370x of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker T-9 (14.81M)

 

I'm not gonna say today was an amazing day, but this was the first day ever that NWH's comp actually increased, which does make me a bit more intrigued that things will perk up compared to the negativity people had today. But of course, this depends on if this increased momentum continues, which I can't guarantee will happen.

[charlie Jatinder]

1 hour ago, titanic2187 said:

I hope every studio be like Sony

sell their whole animation slate to Netflix?

[Porthos]

Always fun when Fandango breaks part way through your run and then one has to then go to five different corp sites and navigate them all to get seat counts.

 

Even funner when one has around 170 showtimes still to check and thus dragging out your count by an hour*.   

* Well, more like 40-45 minutes, but who's counting?

Edited February 23, 2022 by Porthos
reworded and flipped my mope to better reflect my head state at the time.

[Porthos]

On 2/21/2022 at 11:40 PM, Porthos said:

 

The Batman Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-10 days and counting

 

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	288	30971	35604	4633	13.01%

 

 

Total Net Showings Added Today	3
Total Net Seats Added Today	142
Total Seats Sold Today	165

 

T-10 Unadjusted Comps 

	%		Sold T-10	Total Sold		Sellouts/Shows	Seats Left/Total Seats	Perct Sold		Comp
ET	195.98		124	2364		0/96	13177/15541	15.21%		18.62m
NWH	26.60		416	17415		0/308	20137/37552	46.38%		13.30m

 

T-10 Adjusted Comp 

	%		Sold T-10	Total Sold		Sellouts/Shows	Seats Left/Total Seats	Perct Sold		Comp
BW	149.69		108	2908		0/119	16352/19260	15.10%		20.69m
Bats (BW adj)	---		145	4353		0/237	25345/29698	14.66%		---

COMP NOTE: The Batman comp has been adjusted to reflect the return of Ontario theaters to the DOM market (what would be normally be the comp/0.955).

ADJUSTMENT NOTE: Bats (BW adj) is the amount of seats sold that does not include the theaters which had unreliable data polluting their seat maps at that point in BW's track.

 

Tuesday Sales:        662/815     [81.23 sold]       [-1 tickets]

Wednesday Sales: 1001/1301   [76.94% sold]   [+10 tickets]

Thursday Sales:    2814/33346  [8.44% sold]  [+156 tickets]

---

Regal:  1176/10661  [11.03% sold] [+18 tickets]

Matinee: 203/4893   [4.15% | 4.38% of all tickets sold]

 

The Batman Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-9 days and counting

 

	Capped	Sellouts	Showings	Seats left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Perct Sold
TOTALS	1	0	297	31989	36790	4801	13.05%

 

Total Showings Reached Cap Today	1
Total Showings Added Today	9
Total Seats Added Today	1186
Total Seats Sold Today	168

 

T-9 Unadjusted Comps 

	%		Sold T-9	Total Sold		Sellouts/Shows	Seats Left/Total Seats	Perct Sold		Comp
ET	193.20		121	2485		0/99	13201/15686	15.84%		18.35m
NWH	26.91		424	17839		0/311	20218/38057	46.87%		13.46m

 

T-9 Adjusted Comp 

	%		Sold T-9	Total Sold		Sellouts/Shows	Seats Left/Total Seats	Perct Sold		Comp
BW	146.25		171	3079		0/122	16185/19264	15.98%		20.21m
Bats (BW adj)	---		150	4503		0/246	26381/30884	14.58%		---

COMP NOTE: The Batman comp has been adjusted to reflect the return of Ontario theaters to the DOM market (what would be normally be the comp/0.955).

ADJUSTMENT NOTE: Bats (BW adj) is the amount of seats sold that does not include the theaters which had unreliable data polluting their seat maps at that point in BW's track.

 

Tuesday Sales:        664/815     [81.47 sold]       [+2 tickets]

Wednesday Sales: 1015/1301   [78.02% sold]   [+14 tickets]

Thursday Sales:   3122/34674  [9.00% sold]  [+152 tickets]

---

Regal:  1214/11645  [10.43% sold] [+38 tickets]

Matinee: 213/4893   [4.35% | 4.44% of all tickets sold]

[charlie Jatinder]

1 hour ago, Porthos said:

Always fun when Fandango breaks part way through your run and then one has to then go to five different corp sites and navigate them all to get seat counts.

 

Even funner when one has around 170 showtimes still to check and thus dragging out your count by an hour*.   

* Well, more like 40-45 minutes, but who's counting?

I am gonna be that person to plug stuff. ATOM Tickets is your saviour for Century/Cinemark since you have many of those in Sacramento.

[charlie Jatinder]

@Porthos I think Sacramento may be under indexing for DC. I remember you saying so for Joker, may be it is case for all of them. How about incorporating a TSS comp. It will be quite off but still.

 

May be Joker too.

[Old Spice]

Batman interim update for Cinemark Sugarhouse 10 in Salt Lake City, Feb 22nd. No fan screenings.

 

Total Tix Sold

Thursday: 160 (+15) Will pass Eternals final by Friday.

Friday: 152 (+10)

Saturday: 61 (+20)

 

Strongest day here since Day 2. Feels like the final week sprint has begun. 😎

 

 

[TwoMisfits]

So, I don't know if The Batman Tuesday 3/1 showings are full sell outs at AMC...but TMobile is gonna run their $2 any ticket deal again next 3/1 on Atom...so if they really allow early Bats shows (and don't put in some sort of "limited provision" between now and then), just list every single seat for The Batman sold out for AMC theaters now...

 

PS - Yes, it should be another good Tuesday at AMC/Cinemark on 3/1...I doubt the deal continues on 3/8 (it was a very good idea to get through the 2 weeks til Bats - I may even see another movie next week:)...

Edited February 23, 2022 by TwoMisfits

[XXRDJisDoctorDoom]

On 2/19/2022 at 9:54 AM, PenguinXXR said:

 

 

The Batman - (T-13, 24 Screen Theater)

Tuesday - 1 showtime, 146 tickets sold, IMAX 
Thursday - 28 showtimes, 370 tickets sold, 323 IMAX/Dolby, 47 regular 
 

Comps vs Finals (Tues + Thurs)

Endgame - 516 vs 3623 = $8.55M

No Way Home - 516 vs 3545 = $7.28M

Rise of Skywalker - 516 vs 1826 = $11.30M

The 355 - 518 vs 31 = $5.85M

The Batman - (T-8, 24 Screen Theater)

Tuesday - 1 showtime, 147 tickets sold, IMAX 
Thursday - 28 showtimes, 360 tickets sold,  IMAX/Dolby, 80 regular 

IMAX Fan Event: $24.00

IMAX: $18.29

Dolby: $19.29

Regular: $13.79

 

Comps vs Finals (Tues + Thurs)

Endgame -  587 vs 3623 = $9.72M

No Way Home -  587 vs 3545 = $8.28M

Rise of Skywalker -  587vs 1826 = $12.86M

The 355 -  587 vs 31 = $6.63M

 

**Added in ticket price for a 7PM adult ticket as a reference point for future films. 

[Porthos]

8 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said:

I am gonna be that person to plug stuff. ATOM Tickets is your saviour for Century/Cinemark since you have many of those in Sacramento.

NOPE!

 

First off, that still doesn't cover Regal or Cinema West, which approaches half of my market.

 

Secondly, haven't figured out the source shortcut for that website (was on the verge of trying to figure it out last night but didn't have the time — might now finally decide to sit down and figure it out).

 

But more importantly, out of all of them, Cinemark's website is decent enough that I'd rather just use that than Atom's.  Only real value Atom has it is that I can get SMG and Cinemark at the same time. Well that and it doesn't combine DBOX showings like Cinemark does. But since I only have one Studio Movie Grill locally plus I don't have a list of theaters saved on Atom's website, still easier for me just to head over to Cinemark in cases like last night.

 

Don't get me wrong, I hear what you're saying.  And if I knew the shortcut for Atom's website it might be fractionally worth it not to deal with combined DBOX showings.  But I still had a ton of other corps to deal with that Atom sadly doesn't cover.  And even then, I'm not in love with how I can't bring up a showing on Atom in a separate window which means I have to bounce back and forth on their website, which adds up time in a hurry.

 

And, ultimately, it's that last complaint which is the deal breaker.  If I can pull up a showing in a separate window, I can go BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG through showtimes like a machine gun. Especially as I now have a method which has shaved seconds here and there off my check time to make it as efficient as possibly without actually running some sort of script like some of the other folks here do.

 

It might not seem like much to have to hit the back button repeatedly on a site to pull up times, but when there's over a 100 showtimes, or worse 200 to 300+, that time adds up fast.

 

Just haven't figured out how to make Atom "worth it", really.  Though if I have many more times like last night, I might be forced to...

[Grebacio]

13 hours ago, Eric Drake said:

The Batman Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-9 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	2	181	5546	35535	15.61%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 171

 

Comp

2.338x of Black Widow T-9 (30.86M)

2.917x of Eternals T-9 (27.71M)

0.318x of Spider-Man: No Way Home T-9 (15.9M)

 

Adjusted Comp

0.370x of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker T-9 (14.81M)

 

I'm not gonna say today was an amazing day, but this was the first day ever that NWH's comp actually increased, which does make me a bit more intrigued that things will perk up compared to the negativity people had today. But of course, this depends on if this increased momentum continues, which I can't guarantee will happen.

Can you include Venom: LTBC as a comp?

[Porthos]

8 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said:

@Porthos I think Sacramento may be under indexing for DC. I remember you saying so for Joker, may be it is case for all of them. How about incorporating a TSS comp. It will be quite off but still.

 

May be Joker too.

 

Under-indexed for TSS as well.   Joker too for that matter, as you said (though that was against 2019/18 comps and you are well aware of my stance on the value of those).

 

Might still pull up a TSS comp, mind.  But I don't know how much value it'd be given the difference in up-front sales.  Still think Dune is gonna be better, but I don't know if it's time yet to pull the trigger on that comp. 

 

But, sure, might start pulling in some other comps as well as dropping NWH tonight.

 

Ultimately do think there is something to either Sacramento under-indexing DC films OR it over-indexing Marvel ones.  At the same time, only on my third DC film I've tracked, so the sample size is 1) small enough not to make a final judgement and 2) all three films have enough weirdness (content, size, and rollout respectively) going on that I'm not quite ready to count out Sacto when it comes to DC flicks.

[Porthos]

2 minutes ago, Grebacio said:

Can you include Venom: LTBC as a comp?

 

Venom 2 had a very late surge thanks to fan screenings which could mean that any comps for it right now will be off.

 

V2 didn't really blast off until the Sunday before release.  Well enough, but certainly not a double digit opening release.

[charlie Jatinder]

9 minutes ago, Porthos said:

NOPE!

 

First off, that still doesn't cover Regal or Cinema West, which approaches half of my market.

 

Secondly, haven't figured out the source shortcut for that website (was on the verge of trying to figure it out last night but didn't have the time — might now finally decide to sit down and figure it out).

 

But more importantly, out of all of them, Cinemark's website is decent enough that I'd rather just use that than Atom's.  Only real value Atom has it is that I can get SMG and Cinemark at the same time. Well that and it doesn't combine DBOX showings like Cinemark does. But since I only have one Studio Movie Grill locally plus I don't have a list of theaters saved on Atom's website, still easier for me just to head over to Cinemark in cases like last night.

 

Don't get me wrong, I hear what you're saying.  And if I knew the shortcut for Atom's website it might be fractionally worth it not to deal with combined DBOX showings.  But I still had a ton of other corps to deal with that Atom sadly doesn't cover.  And even then, I'm not in love with how I can't bring up a showing on Atom in a separate window which means I have to bounce back and forth on their website, which adds up time in a hurry.

 

And, ultimately, it's that last complaint which is the deal breaker.  If I can pull up a showing in a separate window, I can go BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG through showtimes like a machine gun. Especially as I now have a method which has shaved seconds here and there off my check time to make it as efficient as possibly without actually running some sort of script like some of the other folks here do.

 

It might not seem like much to have to hit the back button repeatedly on a site to pull up times, but when there's over a 100 showtimes, or worse 200 to 300+, that time adds up fast.

 

Just haven't figured out how to make Atom "worth it", really.  Though if I have many more times like last night, I might be forced to...

What I like about ATOM is it give all the shows of one cinema in same tab.

 

So just open inspect element, search "unavailable2" I think and keep changing showtimes.

[Porthos]

9 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

What I like about ATOM is it give all the shows of one cinema in same tab.

 

So just open inspect element, search "unavailable2" I think and keep changing showtimes.

Well, see the problem here is the way I have set up my own workflow is set up entirely differently.  I’d have to figure out how to maximize that way of doing it and getting the showtimes efficiently.

 

Ultimately, it’s shifting from one way of doing things to another which is a gigantic PITA.  But, still, as I said, I might sit down and figure out how to maximize my workflow over on Atom for when this sort of shit happens in the future.

[EmpireCity]

The Lost City tickets go on sale Tuesday, March 1st at midnight.