WEEKEND THREAD: No one went to the Danger Zone :( 145M JWD, 51.8M TGM, EEAAO reaches 61 DOM

[Liiviig 1998]

TGM sat number ?

[Liiviig 1998]

18 minutes ago, Brainbug the Dinosaur said:

 

Id like to think a bit more optimistically 😄 because Universal are looking at the numbers (and the critical score) as well and i believe it should be crystal clear to everyone that the series needs a change and im saying that as someone who actually really likes Dominion lol. But the current plot/characters ... yeah, it would be better to put them to rest and make a fresh start.

Good luck with that. It's all about money this days. Until the franchise has a really bad performance is when studios finally decide to act.

F&F was originally meant to end at 7 but it made lots of money and now it's being run into the ground.

 

Then we have bizarre occasions like WB/paramount  and the terminator franchise . Kept it going on each occasion from

T3 -6 yet it's  box office gross didn't justify 200m budgets they kept injecting in it. It should have clearly ended at T2.

 

 

 

[MrFanaticGuy34]

Any guess how much Top Gun 2’s worldwide gross might be today or so? 👩🏻‍💼

 

Seems like it keeps grossing more and more.

[CJohn]

The fact that this shit is gonna miss 400M DOM fucking hell. Why did they give their jewel of the crown to Colin Trevorrow of all people.

[THUNDER BIRD]

30 minutes ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

Good luck with that. It's all about money this days. Until the franchise has a really bad performance is when studios finally decide to act.

F&F was originally meant to end at 7 but it made lots of money and now it's being run into the ground.

 

Then we have bizarre occasions like WB/paramount  and the terminator franchise . Kept it going on each occasion from

T3 -6 yet it's  box office gross didn't justify 200m budgets they kept injecting in it. It should have clearly ended at T2.

 

 

 

Dominion not making Billion and 400 Domestic should wisen Universal up.

 

Although it'll still be very profitable even at 900 million, Universal won't be satisfied with it and Critical Reaction.

[Brainbug]

4 minutes ago, CJohn said:

The fact that this shit is gonna miss 400M DOM fucking hell. Why did they give their jewel of the crown to Colin Trevorrow of all people.

 

There were 1,67 billion reasons for that.

 

But btw it missing 400M isnt set in stone. I think 365 - 385M is more likely, but unless it crashes next weekend, it has a chance.

[Mulder]

5 minutes ago, THUNDER BIRD said:

Dominion not making Billion and 400 Domestic should wisen Universal up.

 

Although it'll still be very profitable even at 900 million, Universal won't be satisfied with it and Critical Reaction.

F&F's profits keep dropping, Universal's still splitting the finale into two parts.

[THUNDER BIRD]

4 minutes ago, Mulder said:

F&F's profits keep dropping, Universal's still splitting the finale into two parts.

F&F was not their crown jewel, it was easy money franchise that just blew up.

 

They make F&F like Superhero movies, one every 2 years..... 

 

Jurassic World going down will be much bigger jolt than F&F so they'll have to be more careful.

[CJohn]

8 minutes ago, Brainbug the Dinosaur said:

 

There were 1,67 billion reasons for that.

 

But btw it missing 400M isnt set in stone. I think 365 - 385M is more likely, but unless it crashes next weekend, it has a chance.

It was pretty clear after Fallen Kingdom that measures should have been taken. But he was right there available and he had done JW so they went for the laziest path.

[CJohn]

9 minutes ago, Mulder said:

F&F's profits keep dropping, Universal's still splitting the finale into two parts.

That will blow up in their faces pretty badly if they think F10 will grow from F9.

[Mulder]

3 minutes ago, THUNDER BIRD said:

F&F was not their crown jewel, it was easy money franchise that just blew up.

 

They make F&F like Superhero movies, one every 2 years..... 

 

Jurassic World going down will be much bigger jolt than F&F so they'll have to be more careful.

I'm going to be honest, I don't think Universal views them that differently. They've treated them exactly the same.

[krla]

7 hours ago, upriser7 said:

I wish there was a poll on how much % of Republicans and how much % of Democrats go to theaters often and how that % has changed over last 15-20 years. In general, I have observed lot of negativity towards Hollywood from RW media in last decade, they use it pretty well to rile up their base. Some times there is valid criticism but most of the times, they just spout some bs and people eat it up. All I am saying is I would not be surprised if most of the audience that have stopped coming to theaters now (when compared to 20 years back) are Republican leaning.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/democrats-go-more-movies-republicans-1232066/

Quote

 

Democrats go to the movies twice as much as Republicans, a new study finds. 

The statistic was among many tidbits included in a seven-year survey celebrating the 1,000th movie surveyed by industry leader PostTrak, the exit-polling service founded by Rentrak (now owned by Comscore) and Screen Engine.

 

During that time period, Democrats frequented the movies far more than Republicans, or 12.4 percent versus 5.5 percent. Ditto for Independents (7.2 percent). The same also held true for ticket buyers who identified themselves as liberal and conservative (10.1 percent vs. 5 percent). Nearly 10 percent of moviegoers didn’t state their political affiliation.

 

This is probably more of an urban/rural divide, though. If you live in a decent sized city, you'll have multiple theaters that have a wide array of movies. In smaller cities, you probably have one theater with a handful of screens, and the only thing they'll show other than blockbusters is Jesus movies. Also, no IMAX, no Dolby. At best you'll have a 3D screen. Even the seats are unlikely to be comfortable, probably 30 years old at this point, lol.

 

Anyways, assuming Republicans and Democrats had equal access to theaters, equal spending power (and ignoring that tickets tend to be cheaper in small cities, regardless of premium screens), then a movie that brought out Republicans as much as Democrats would earn roughly 25% more. And if independents were brought out at an equal rate, then it'd be around 40% more revenue. (This rests on the assumption that all three make up roughly 1/3rd of the population).

 

This following article (gallery) is from 2011;

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/box-office-politics-movies-stars-243817/

 

Apparently Democrats aren't fans of Charlton Heston, and Republicans are repelled by Sean Penn. That gallery also says "(Avatar was named by the most moviegoers as having a liberal agenda)", so either Republican moviegoers didn't realize it, or Hollywood is just fine appealing to Democrats. Though Avatar was likely the first time in decades (and the last) that most theaters in smaller cities saw an upgrade. So regardless of political leanings, it would certainly be an event many would want to check out. Anyways, it also says "During the past six months, Democrats have seen on average 5.7 movies in a theater, while Republicans have seen fewer than four." So if that's 2011, and today Democrats go to the movies twice as much as Republicans, then the divide is growing. I wonder if it is Democrats going more, Republicans less, or both.

 

"Among recent films, Republicans were likelier to choose Soul Surfer and Secretariat. Democrats? The Social Network, Bad Teacher and Easy A."

 

"Dems and Republicans say comedy is their favorite genre, popcorn is their favorite theater snack, Forrest Gump is their preferred blockbuster and Indiana Jones is their favorite action hero."

 

Looks like we need a new subgenre of comedies; tradcon. They'll appeal to Republicans, and though reinforcing traditional roles, they'll lack any edge that could truly offend a Democrat.

 

"While 62 percent of Dems say Hollywood shows America in a positive light, only 39 percent of Republicans concur. And 44 percent of Republicans think Hollywood portrays the U.S. military negatively, but only 21 percent of Democrats agree. "Typically, when you see a movie, it will reflect a Democrat's values," says Jon Penn, Penn Schoen Berland's president of media and entertainment research. "Republicans aren't getting the films they want."

 

Maybe that's why Top Gun is doing so good. Got the Republicans out.

 

"A majority of Democrats think Hollywood films are generally inspiring and morally uplifting; a majority of Republicans don't."

 

[Hilpkioy]

17 minutes ago, krla said:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/democrats-go-more-movies-republicans-1232066/

This is probably more of an urban/rural divide, though. If you live in a decent sized city, you'll have multiple theaters that have a wide array of movies. In smaller cities, you probably have one theater with a handful of screens, and the only thing they'll show other than blockbusters is Jesus movies. Also, no IMAX, no Dolby. At best you'll have a 3D screen. Even the seats are unlikely to be comfortable, probably 30 years old at this point, lol.

 

Anyways, assuming Republicans and Democrats had equal access to theaters, equal spending power (and ignoring that tickets tend to be cheaper in small cities, regardless of premium screens), then a movie that brought out Republicans as much as Democrats would earn roughly 25% more. And if independents were brought out at an equal rate, then it'd be around 40% more revenue. (This rests on the assumption that all three make up roughly 1/3rd of the population).

 

This following article (gallery) is from 2011;

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/box-office-politics-movies-stars-243817/

 

Apparently Democrats aren't fans of Charlton Heston, and Republicans are repelled by Sean Penn. That gallery also says "(Avatar was named by the most moviegoers as having a liberal agenda)", so either Republican moviegoers didn't realize it, or Hollywood is just fine appealing to Democrats. Though Avatar was likely the first time in decades (and the last) that most theaters in smaller cities saw an upgrade. So regardless of political leanings, it would certainly be an event many would want to check out. Anyways, it also says "During the past six months, Democrats have seen on average 5.7 movies in a theater, while Republicans have seen fewer than four." So if that's 2011, and today Democrats go to the movies twice as much as Republicans, then the divide is growing. I wonder if it is Democrats going more, Republicans less, or both.

 

"Among recent films, Republicans were likelier to choose Soul Surfer and Secretariat. Democrats? The Social Network, Bad Teacher and Easy A."

 

"Dems and Republicans say comedy is their favorite genre, popcorn is their favorite theater snack, Forrest Gump is their preferred blockbuster and Indiana Jones is their favorite action hero."

 

Looks like we need a new subgenre of comedies; tradcon. They'll appeal to Republicans, and though reinforcing traditional roles, they'll lack any edge that could truly offend a Democrat.

 

"While 62 percent of Dems say Hollywood shows America in a positive light, only 39 percent of Republicans concur. And 44 percent of Republicans think Hollywood portrays the U.S. military negatively, but only 21 percent of Democrats agree. "Typically, when you see a movie, it will reflect a Democrat's values," says Jon Penn, Penn Schoen Berland's president of media and entertainment research. "Republicans aren't getting the films they want."

 

Maybe that's why Top Gun is doing so good. Got the Republicans out.

 

"A majority of Democrats think Hollywood films are generally inspiring and morally uplifting; a majority of Republicans don't."

 

Well the top theaters for TGM seem to suggest that. Only 4 of the top 15 theaters for TGM are from LA and NYC. 

[M37]

32 minutes ago, THUNDER BIRD said:

F&F was not their crown jewel, it was easy money franchise that just blew up.

 

They make F&F like Superhero movies, one every 2 years..... 

 

Jurassic World going down will be much bigger jolt than F&F so they'll have to be more careful.

Yeah, if they just crank out another JW movie, then I expect it will be like Transformers 4/5, significant drop-off.  Or they can pause, reboot/rework and hope to get a fresh enough start to be more like Spider-Man going from TASM to the Home series (obviously without the benefit of the MCU tie-in, though maybe that’s a crossover that should happen ….)

[titanic2187]

Finished watching JWD with another three. Sorry @Brainbug the Dinosaur, for couldn't convince the 4th person to contribute the opening weekend. 

 

I think the movie is overbashed. To me the movie quality is about the same level as GvK and KOTM. Actually story wise, I think JWD could be even better than GvK with a very solid VFX. The only worse thing is the pacing and editing. 

 

 

[Bigscrubnus]

Seeing JWD with 8 others in a few hours. Bringing the cavalry for @Brainbug the Dinosaur

Edited June 12, 2022 by Bigscrubnus

[THUNDER BIRD]

26 minutes ago, M37 said:

Yeah, if they just crank out another JW movie, then I expect it will be like Transformers 4/5, significant drop-off.  Or they can pause, reboot/rework and hope to get a fresh enough start to be more like Spider-Man going from TASM to the Home series (obviously without the benefit of the MCU tie-in, though maybe that’s a crossover that should happen ….)

No need for Reboot, just rethink and rework. Dinosaurs in open world can be used for many stories, just use some brain.

 

A series like star wars would be better, you won't have pressure of making something that makes billion dollars and can do something creative. Infact a live action series would be better before the eventual Jurassic Park 7

[Brainbug]

1 minute ago, THUNDER BIRD said:

No need for Reboot, just rethink and rework. Dinosaurs in open world can be used for many stories, just use some brain.

 

A series like star wars would be better, you won't have pressure of making something that makes billion dollars and can do something creative. Infact a live action series would be better before the eventual Jurassic Park 7

 

There are actually endless possibilitys for good movies with the concept of dinosaurs in our world. You can make survival thrillers, horror-themed movies, classic adventure style movies etc. You just need good ideas and a plan behind it.

 

Im very confident that Universal could be sitting on a future goldmine here. They just need to have a plan. For now though, we can only hope that they realize this as well.

[M37]

17 minutes ago, Brainbug the Dinosaur said:

 

There are actually endless possibilitys for good movies with the concept of dinosaurs in our world. You can make survival thrillers, horror-themed movies, classic adventure style movies etc. You just need good ideas and a plan behind it.

 

Im very confident that Universal could be sitting on a future goldmine here. They just need to have a plan. For now though, we can only hope that they realize this as well.

One might think that’s Disney’s plan and patience in building up the MCU, or even how they handled the Pirates franchise after the unexpected success of the first, would be something other studios would seek to emulate … but mostly no. Instead they just throw everything they can into single Movie X, then try to “fix” the bad and reuse the “good” in the sequels, ultimately shedding viewers rather than building a sustainable fan base 

Edited June 12, 2022 by M37

[charlie Jatinder]

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