BO Germany/Austria: Deadpool&Wolverine #1

[Cookson]

Are these in USD?

[druv10]

24 minutes ago, Cookson said:

Are these in USD?

Those are admissions for the weekend.

[IndustriousAngel]

In Austria, Logan stays on top, Kong a close 2nd.

[George Parr]

Presales for Beauty and the Beast are rather muted so far, then again, it doesn't really have the franchise-effect in the same way other movies do, so it may not actually say much about the opening at all.

[IndustriousAngel]

Looking back at how Pete's Dragon bellyflopped, I'll be oberjoyed if Beauty makes 2mil total ...

[Noctis]

How many tickets did Maleficent, AiW, Cinderella, and The Jungle Book sell?

[Heretic]

It seems blockbusters rarely do big business in Germany anymore. The market has seemed so down for ages now.

[miketheavenger]

12 minutes ago, Heretic said:

It seems blockbusters rarely do big business in Germany anymore. The market has seemed so down for ages now.

Well, 2015 was quite big with TFA, Spectre, Minions and FJG2 all being Monster hits and a few other Blockbusters as well. But in general, the German theatre industry is definitely declining. The peak was in the first half of the 2000's.

[Fullbuster]

15 minutes ago, miketheavenger said:

Well, 2015 was quite big with TFA, Spectre, Minions and FJG2 all being Monster hits and a few other Blockbusters as well. But in general, the German theatre industry is definitely declining. The peak was in the first half of the 2000's.

 

That's the effect of demographics : Old people are less likely to go to the cinema and they're a much bigger part of the population than in France or the UK.

 

And the most likely to see these movies, people under 35, are declining in numbers...

 

Japan has the same problems, and that will accelerate even if 2016 was great there, given the population of the country it was still weak.

[George Parr]

It doesn't really help that the industry has been ignoring the truth for years. Instead of acknowledging rather lacklustre admission totals, they try to sweep these numbers under the rug, focusing on the money made instead. While it is the money that pays for the running costs, the numbers would be way bigger if the admission totals were larger, as would be the money made from snacks. The more people come, the more popcorn and soda you can sell.

 

France has far more people going to the theaters, even though it has a smaller population. In Germany they go with more and more expensive tickets to keep the monetary inflow at a somewhat steady level, but that cuts into the own future. The more expensive things get, the fewer people will come - or the fewer visits the average person will have per year - and just like that, those who still come will have less money to spend on snacks. France has much cheaper tickets, and while that may hurt the total a movie makes, the larger number of people should help the cinemas. You only get a partial sum from the tickets, but you get everything from concessions. Having a sizeable audience is much more healthy long-term than constantly having to up the ticket prices to make enough money.

 

2016 was an extremely weak year though. There wasn't anything that really caught on. It would be nice to know what exactly caused the boom of the late 90s and early 00s. Having two huge fantasy-franchises certainly helped, but that can't be the sole reason for it.

[IndustriousAngel]

Yep, France is showing the way with their bring-peonpe-to-theaters promotions, cheap tickets and so on. I never understood the appeal 3D had for theaters - selling fewer seats at higher costs but deliviering nearly all of that as license fees? More seats = more concession = more revenue for the theater.

[Giesi]

Theatre concentration accompanied with the decrease of accessible cinemas shouldn't be ignored. I have to drive 25km to get to the next cinema now. And there are still people living in more rural parts of the country despite urbanisation. 

Another factor is definately internet piracy, I'm sure that's a problem in France and the UK, too, but it seems like it causes more troubles here. It looks like everybody torrents, even ignoring the fact that it's wrong and illegal.

[George Parr]

I'm not sure if piracy has that much of an impact. Those who download the movie mostly wouldn't have seen it in theaters anyway. If you are really interested in watching a movie, you aren't going to watch a tiny version of it that might even be in rather bad quality. Those who pirate everything wouldn't go the the theater anyway, removing the option of illegal downloads would just mean they don't watch the movie at all, and the ones who occasionally download a movie are probably doing it more for movies they have a passing interest in, not the ones they absolutely have to see. The latter should hurt home-video sales more than the cinemas.

 

It's a bit different when it comes to tv-shows. A lot of people want to see things right when they come out, which is possible with movies due to release dates not being spread out as far as they used to, but it's not really happening with tv-shows. Instead you have a delay until the shows come your country, leaving many people with dowloading the originals or watching a stream.

Edited March 13, 2017 by George Parr

[el sid]

As often, Monday updates look (much) better. Despite the sunny weather yesterday almost every film's admission number increased:

#1 Kong 295k (282.5k without previews, so it almost had none, good)
#2 Logan 200k/640k total
#3 Bibi & Tina 4 185k/1.15M
#4 FSD 130k/3.19M
#5 Moonlight 85k (65k without previews)
#6 La La Land 62.5k
#7 Sleepless 60k (45k without previews)
#8 Lion 52.5k

#9 John Wick 2 52.5k
#10 Lego 50k
...Wilde Maus 37.5k
   Recep Ivedik 5 27.5k/520k total

   Cure for Wellness 27.5k/205k
   Hidden Figures 25k/385k
   Split 25k/1.175M
   Marx 25k/92.5k

Edited March 13, 2017 by el sid

[Aristis]

12 hours ago, Noctis said:

How many tickets did Maleficent, AiW, Cinderella, and The Jungle Book sell?

Alice in Wonderland 544k/2,97M

Maleficent 460k/1,51M

Cinderella 274k/1,07M

TJB 460k/1,87M

[Omni]

Germany has become a joke of a market.

[George Parr]

11 hours ago, Omni said:

Germany has become a joke of a market.

 

And why would that be?

[Fullbuster]

11 hours ago, Omni said:

Germany has become a joke of a market.

 

Italy isn't better to be honest. France and the UK seem to be the only markets performing well in Europe.

Edited March 14, 2017 by Fullbuster

[Omni]

Exactly, Italy has been kind of depressing lately. Just look at its top 20 of all time: even when you look at the actual gross instead of admissions, the top 20 is filled with pre-2013 title, and especially pre-2010.

[IndustriousAngel]

Germany's Top20 last weekend:

	title	admissions	th.	PTA	total adm.	total €	drop	week
1	Kong - Skull Island	282.379	547	516	294.380	3.176.602	-	1
2	Logan	198.430	624	318	640.828	5.920.191	-36	2
3	Bibi & Tina 4	185.298	785	236	1.162.072	7.535.619	-44	3
4	Fifty Shades of Grey 2	130.789	604	217	3.188.580	28.531.976	-41	5
5	Moonlight	65.664	90	730	83.124	669.896	-	1
6	La La Land	63.078	713	88	1.527.126	13.062.330	-39	9
7	Lion	53.378	247	216	273.065	2.284.875	-27	3
8	John Wick	53.092	462	115	725.284	6.356.597	-47	4
9	The LEGO Batman Movie	49.673	588	84	803.495	6.248.085	-46	5
10	Sleepless	43.993	222	198	57.054	471.847	-	1
11	Wilde Maus	37.006	85	435	50.117	355.382	-	1
12	Recep Ivedik	28.047	123	228	521.660	4.603.545	-59	4
13	A Cure for Wellness	27.692	393	70	205.432	1.891.170	-50	3
14	Mein Blind Date mit dem Leben	27.675	391	71	703.305	5.661.123	-34	7
15	Der junge Karl Marx	27.059	269	101	100.014	758.926	-46	2
16	Hidden Figures	26.400	310	85	400.298	3.281.005	-31	6
17	Split	25.900	283	92	1.176.781	10.051.284	-44	7
18	Moaana	17.628	398	44	2.083.514	15.883.493	-43	12
19	Yu-Gi-Oh! - The Dark Side of Dimensions	17.418	133	131	17.418	217.477	-	1
20	A Dog's Purpose	16.215	245	66	112.012	825.289	-45	3

 

A rather boring and mediocre weekend without surprises - Kong did what was expected from it and Logan's drop was a bit better than feared. Austrian crime comedy Wilde Maus had a nice opening on its few screens.

Next weekend: Beauty and the Beast should take the weekend crown with ease, even if a look at Disney's latest remakes doesn't give us hope for a blockbuster. It's the only wide release but there are a couple of smaller yet interesting ones like french animation Oscar contender La Tortue Rouge or swedish comedy Hundraettåringen … (the first one was a medium-sized arthouse hit) or domestic easter-themed kiddie animation Die Häschenschule. I'm just hoping Beauty can at least make more than 400k admissions OW, and maybe some nive drops for the actioners.