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[EmpireCity]

2 minutes ago, Spidey Freak said:

Ya'll out here ranting about Gen Z "having a cushy life" when they are the first generation to have had active school shooter drills in classes and traumatized to the point of breakdown as kids with the possibility of getting shot in the middle of a Pop Quiz 🙄 And let's not even get into the additional trauma of being an LGBT or trans kid or a POC kid in MAGAland. But I guess they need to be tougher because they haven't put shingles on roofs

 

GTFO with that bs. If you haven't helped make life easier for the next generation, then you are part of the problem. 

 

You aren't the first generation to have had active shooter drills.  In case you forgot, Columbine happened in the 90's.  

 

Want to talk about being a LGBT or trans kid or a POC kid back in the 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's?  It was a billion times tougher and you got the shit kicked out of you and mocked endlessly and called all sorts of horrible names.  In fact, you couldn't even come out in those days for fear of being completely ostracized from society.  Hell, they hadn't even allowed a same sex kiss on TV until Ellen had the stones to finally do it, and that was in the late 90's.  You think LGBTQ or POC kids have it tougher now in 2022 than before?  Go ask an older African-American how growing up black in the United States in the 60's and 70's was for them. 

 

 

[Spidey Freak]

Also as someone who has a friend working at one of these VFX houses who just quit his job because it wasn't worth it, the working hours are terrible, the salary is miserable and the environment tends to become increasingly toxic as pressure starts pouring down the hierarchy

 

[EmpireCity]

Plus, nobody even mentioned any of those things.  This was about working conditions.  Stay on topic.  

[cannastop]

23 minutes ago, Chaz said:

 

Then 9/11 happened.

shame Pixar doesn't remember 9/11 🙃

 

have to go to Hooters

 

 

 

Edited July 11, 2022 by cannastop

[EmpireCity]

1 minute ago, Spidey Freak said:

Also as someone who has a friend working at one of these VFX houses who just quit his job because it wasn't worth it, the working hours are terrible, the salary is miserable and the environment tends to become increasingly toxic as pressure starts pouring down the hierarchy

 

 

What were the hours?  What was the salary?  

[Legion Again]

14 minutes ago, Borf the Borf said:

What do you mean by adjusted?  Win in studio estimate and lose in actual's?   

Win actuals in nominal dollars but lose when adjusted for 4 weeks of inflation

Edited July 11, 2022 by Legion and Thunder

[misterpepp]

Oh boy, okay. I don't normally chime in on things here or stir up conflicts, mainly because I usually enjoy reading some of the fun stuff people have posted here. That being said...

 

45 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

Lol, take a few hours off here and you miss a lot.  After seeing the ages of nearly everyone here, it is no wonder that this board and most of your opinions are the way they are.  

 

Not gonna throw out any -ism words here, but it's pretty ignorant to be so dismissive of the opinions of others merely based on their age.

 

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The vast majority of you have never been through a truly hard work day in your lives.

 

This is a pretty sweeping assumption. You do not know most of us personally or what we've been through, but you've decided to make the case that people here don't actually work anyway.

 

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Mommy and daddy have taken care of most everything and student loans took care of the rest.

 

... The student loans took care of the rest? The ones that sent people into crushing debt? I'd love to know what else student loans did for my family and friends, other than give them what ended up being pretty worthless degrees.

 

 

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Maybe you had to man a register at the local Target at some point.

 

Again, pretty ignorant assumption.

 

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All of you are in the "great resignation" generation, the generation that cries about being overworked and underpaid and very likely have never spent a day on a hot roof putting down shingles or detassiling corn in 100 degree heat or spent a summer pouring concrete to the point you pass out.  Shit that paid you $5.15 to start and maybe $8 per hour if you were lucky.

 

This is a point I'm just confused by. Are you arguing that these are working conditions people should be put through? If so, that's a pretty wild assessment. What's wrong with good working conditions with good pay where you're not overworked to complete exhaustion? Suddenly that's asking for too much when not everyone got that "back in your day"?

 

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VFX artists are paid market rate and their working conditions are more than adequate.

 

Based on the experiences of people I've known, this is simply not true.

 

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They work on tight timelines

 

Incredible understatement.

 

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and have benefits and perks as well.

 

I'm sure they're quite happy health benefits are included for when they suffer from sleep deprivation and exhaustion from being over-worked from heavily-crunched timetables.

 

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So many of you are in for a rude awakening when the next economic downturn truly hits, and that might be about 2-3 months away from happening.  So many that have written shitty think piece posts and made silly demands from their work while being artificially lifted up by stimulus money are going to be begging to take a job when reality kicks them in the teeth.  

Get ready, it's coming.  The people who will survive it will be the people willing to work.  

 

 

Pretty sure I heard this exact same statement from somebody else about a year ago. And again a few months ago. But, I suppose we'll see.

 

I've read quite a bit of what you've posted over the past few months, and in many of your posts you look down upon others with different opinions from yourself and you act as if you're pansophical, although this post you made I believe proves that is very much not the case. Additionally, instead of making these sweeping assumptions about people, maybe wait to get to know them individually first? You don't know what myself or anyone else on this board is going through.

Edited July 11, 2022 by datpepper

[Legion Again]

Good news @Cap — we’ve found an argument that isn’t a rehash of the same 10 words from every weekend thread

[EmpireCity]

3 minutes ago, datpepper said:

 

Pretty sure I heard this exact same statement from somebody else about a year ago. And again a few months ago. But, I suppose we'll see.

 

I've read quite a bit of what you've posted over the past few months, and in many of your posts you look down upon others with different opinions from yourself and you act as if you're pansophical, although this post you made I believe proves that is very much not the case. Additionally, instead of making these sweeping assumptions about people, maybe wait to get to know them individually first? You don't know what myself or anyone else on this board is going through.

 

This really is the only point worth responding to, but the larger point is for most of you 20 somethings, YOU don't have a clue what you are actually "going through" when it comes to the topic of work and working conditions.  

 

None of you have ever even lived through a tough economic time as a working adult.  That is just a fact.  You got the benefit of a propped up economy for a bunch of reasons.  

 

The sad thing is, as you admit in your post, is that you think it will just continue this way.  I don't blame you I guess, you kids don't know any better.  

 

Just remember to come back to this post when the time comes and admit that Ol' Grandpa EC was right.  

[Chaz]

19 minutes ago, Spidey Freak said:

Ya'll out here ranting about Gen Z "having a cushy life" when they are the first generation to have had active school shooter drills in classes and traumatized to the point of breakdown as kids with the possibility of getting shot in the middle of a Pop Quiz 🙄 And let's not even get into the additional trauma of being an LGBT or trans kid or a POC kid in MAGAland. But I guess they need to be tougher because they haven't put shingles on roofs

 

GTFO with that bs. If you haven't helped make life easier for the next generation, then you are part of the problem. 

School shootings are extremely rare and have actually decreased from their peak a few years back. 
 

I was a gay kid in Louisiana in the days before Ellen and Will and Grace. Something tells me they’re way better off now than I was, lol.

[EmpireCity]

6 minutes ago, datpepper said:

 

This is a point I'm just confused by. Are you arguing that these are working conditions people should be put through? If so, that's a pretty wild assessment. What's wrong with good working conditions with good pay where you're not overworked to complete exhaustion? Suddenly that's asking for too much when not everyone got that "back in your day"?

 

Here, I will respond to this point as well.  I'm not arguing that these are working conditions people should be put through, but I'm pointing out that anyone calling them some of the silly things we have seen them called on here is pretty absurd.  

 

"Overworked to complete exhaustion" is a perfect example.  Only people who have never actually been worked to complete exhaustion would actually make this statement about a VFX artist.  Oh honey, when the time comes when a lot of you will actually find out what being worked to complete exhaustion really means, it isn't going to be a fun day and those people will realize just how good they had it. 

[EmpireCity]

1 minute ago, Chaz said:

School shootings are extremely rare and have actually decreased from their peak a few years back. 
 

I was a gay kid in Louisiana in the days before Ellen and Will and Grace. Something tells me they’re way better off now than I was, lol.

 

A billion times this.  Anyone that is older and had gay friends that had to hide who they were in the 80's and 90's and before can absolutely agree that kids now are so much better off than what you and those other poor kids had to go through back then.  

[krla]

17 minutes ago, Spidey Freak said:

Also as someone who has a friend working at one of these VFX houses who just quit his job because it wasn't worth it, the working hours are terrible, the salary is miserable and the environment tends to become increasingly toxic as pressure starts pouring down the hierarchy

 

This is a good thing. As workers opt out, companies have to raise wages and benefits, and offer more attractive work/life balance to tempt workers back.

 

The thing working against VFX artists is that people will go see a big blockbuster that has crappy CGI. That would suggest that 'great' CGI doesn't have as much value as VFX artists believe. Which means VFX artists have less value than they believe.

[JustLurking]

 

7 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

 

Here, I will respond to this point as well.  I'm not arguing that these are working conditions people should be put through, but I'm pointing out that anyone calling them some of the silly things we have seen them called on here is pretty absurd.  

 

"Overworked to complete exhaustion" is a perfect example.  Only people who have never actually been worked to complete exhaustion would actually make this statement about a VFX artist.  Oh honey, when the time comes when a lot of you will actually find out what being worked to complete exhaustion really means, it isn't going to be a fun day and those people will realize just how good they had it. 

Your narrative about VFX artists seems to stem from the idea that unless you're out there doing extremely physical labour you cannot be overworked or exhausted, which is frankly speaking extremely silly.

Edited July 11, 2022 by JustLurking

[lorddemaxus]

Alright finally putting this nitwit on ignore (not mentioning him but everyone knows who I am talking about). I'll take the threadban or warning points or whatever mods but I just want this guy to know that he is a fucking pompous idiot who think he can say the most egotistical shit just because he gives some good insider info sometimes. Very few people, if any, actually like you on here man.

Edited July 11, 2022 by lorddemaxus

[EmpireCity]

2 minutes ago, krla said:

This is a good thing. As workers opt out, companies have to raise wages and benefits, and offer more attractive work/life balance to tempt workers back.

 

The thing working against VFX artists is that people will go see a big blockbuster that has crappy CGI. That would suggest that 'great' CGI doesn't have as much value as VFX artists believe. Which means VFX artists have less value than they believe.

 

Also, another reality and possibility is that eventually all of these streaming billions will dry up and the economy will eventually turn and there won't be nearly as many productions.  The VFX market will be flooded with people out of work, wages and benefits will drop and there will be a desperation in the air trying to get a job in that industry.  

 

This all isn't a post saying that workers shouldn't want more money and the best conditions they can get, but like everything there is a delicate balance.  Beware how far the boundaries are pushed.  

 

For you younger people, go look up the history of the auto industry in Detroit and find out how pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing the envelope for more and more and more can lead to the collapse of an industry and how companies will adjust to find a more viable labor market.  

[EmpireCity]

6 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Alright finally putting this nitwit on ignore (not mentioning him but everyone knows who I am talking about). I'll take the threadban or warning points or whatever mods but I just want this guy to know that he is a fucking pompous idiot who think he can say the most egotistical shit just because he gives some good insider info sometimes. Very few people, if any, actually like you on here man.

 

Hey, you were the one that went out of your way to insult me personally.  I did no such thing to you, so maybe you are the one with the issue.  

[JustLurking]

1 minute ago, EmpireCity said:

 

Also, another reality and possibility is that eventually all of these streaming billions will dry up and the economy will eventually turn and there won't be nearly as many productions.  The VFX market will be flooded with people out of work, wages and benefits will drop and there will be a desperation in the air trying to get a job in that industry.  

 

This all isn't a post saying that workers shouldn't want more money and the best conditions they can get, but like everything there is a delicate balance.  Beware how far the boundaries are pushed.  

 

For you younger people, go look up the history of the auto industry in Detroit and find out how pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing the envelope for more and more and more can lead to the collapse of an industry and how companies will adjust to find a more viable labor market.  

If a business can only survive by exploiting its workers then it deserves to die, you can't tell people to just shut up and take it so you get to keep watching films at the same rate.

[krla]

I wonder if we'll get an 'auto-tune' era of CGI. Auto-tune was widely used for years with most people being unaware of whether it was used. But some artists (like Cher) used it in a unique way. Then a bunch of crap artists started doing the same thing. 

 

Will we see a case of CGI being done in a 'rough' or 'incomplete' way, which enhances a particular movie, also happens to be cheap, and then see dozens of films using the same technique? Kind of like 3D. You have Avatar that did it well, and dozens (hundreds?) of movies that tossed it in as a gimmick.

 

It's like the uncanny valley; if your CGI is 95% good, it looks worse than CGI that is only 50%. And to go from 95% to 100% takes more effort than going from 0% to 95%. 

[M37]

53 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

Lol, take a few hours off here and you miss a lot.  After seeing the ages of nearly everyone here, it is no wonder that this board and most of your opinions are the way they are.  

 

The vast majority of you have never been through a truly hard work day in your lives.  Most have grown up in a fantasy land of good economics, low interest rates, plentiful jobs and cushy working conditions. Mommy and daddy have taken care of most everything and student loans took care of the rest.  Maybe you had to man a register at the local Target at some point.  

 

All of you are in the "great resignation" generation, the generation that cries about being overworked and underpaid and very likely have never spent a day on a hot roof putting down shingles or detassiling corn in 100 degree heat or spent a summer pouring concrete to the point you pass out.  Shit that paid you $5.15 to start and maybe $8 per hour if you were lucky.  

 

VFX artists are paid market rate and their working conditions are more than adequate.  They work on tight timelines, but they also work in air conditioned offices and have benefits and perks as well.  

 

So many of you are in for a rude awakening when the next economic downturn truly hits, and that might be about 2-3 months away from happening.  So many that have written shitty think piece posts and made silly demands from their work while being artificially lifted up by stimulus money are going to be begging to take a job when reality kicks them in the teeth.  

 

Get ready, it's coming.  The people who will survive it will be the people willing to work.  

I didn’t realize it was even possible to fit that much condescension into a single post 

 

It’s not even worth trying to refute each individual piece of nonsense, because it’s clear the warped worldview is has long since hardened, snd it’d be like arguing with a brick wall 

 

If your contempt is the asking price for getting early numbers and other bits of info, then I’ll survive without them. So long EC