Reed121 Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Factcheck said: The next one is not releasing before 2027, and the performance of that movie will depend upon Shuri's role in Avengers 5 and 6 It doesn’t matter what her role is. John Marston is right. The fundamental issue is that Black Panther needs its main character back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Reed121 said: It doesn’t matter what her role is. John Marston is right. The fundamental issue is that Black Panther needs its main character back. 100% People want T'Challa. Edited December 3, 2022 by Valonqar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikostar Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Reed121 said: It doesn’t matter what her role is. John Marston is right. The fundamental issue is that Black Panther needs its main character back. ??? Don’t think that will be an issue for the third one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikostar Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 (edited) You guys have seen WF right? It’s pretty clear where they are going in the future without getting into spoilers. Edited December 3, 2022 by Nikostar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringedmortality Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Will Violent Night hit Krampus numbers then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed121 Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 3 hours ago, XXR 4 Modsident said: While I agree it has underperformed expectations I disagree that BP (or any MCU franchise) is in trouble. At the end of the day, it's going to be the 6th highest grossing film of the year WW and 3rd highest domestically. BP isn't in trouble, Thor isn't in trouble, Doctor Strange isn't in trouble. The marketplace is different and adjustments will occur. Thor and Doctor Strange are in a better position because they have their popular main characters and male leads with some international appeal. Black Panther without T’Challa will become a weaker and weaker franchise below Thor probably. So in that sense it’s in trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 (edited) Also, while expecting BPWF to increase from BP would be unrealsitic even with the original lead, DS2 was always going to increase a lot from the first so it was in better position. It tougher when a movie has nowhere to go but down. Thor, however, should have increased by more than it did considering he's the last of the Big Three to still has movies made. I think that fans miss Thor and Loki bromance. Jane and/or Valkyrie create different dynmaic and thus don't make up for it. Edited December 3, 2022 by Valonqar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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charlie Jatinder Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Re BPWF, I always thought a BP2 should be lower/par than Thor 4 outside African-American demo. BP1 was essential viewing for IW, that obviously boosted it overseas, but certainly helped in US as well. THOR 4 was terribly received, so that made it tough, while BPWF had solid scores in US but trending hasn't been that good, instead more like the average/mid reception outside US. THOR folded inside $350M but low competition across holiday periods of Thanksgiving and XMAS-NY will boost BPWF to $450M+, otherwise should have ideally ended around $420M or so. Both films would be similar in non-AfroAm demo, may be Thor a bit ahead, despite having much worse reception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOGODanca Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 That posttrak for BP2 is super suspect, from what I remember it had a higher amount of people who said they would repeat watch then tgm did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, GOGODanca said: That posttrak for BP2 is super suspect, from what I remember it had a higher amount of people who said they would repeat watch then tgm did yeah audience score went too high, but I think minority led films tend to have better scores than actual reception. Also Posttrak was polling 40%+ from African-American community, so that further increased the scores. @Legion By Night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factcheck Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 10 hours ago, Nikostar said: You guys have seen WF right? It’s pretty clear where they are going in the future without getting into spoilers. You don't know how Disney operates; they want a female black lead movie franchise as representation also matters, so there is very little chance of T'Challa coming back soon as the main lead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Reynolds Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Factcheck said: You don't know how Disney operates; they want a female black lead movie franchise as representation also matters, so there is very little chance of T'Challa coming back soon as the main lead. Disney only cares about money, look how they operate their parks, they price out the middle-class , greed rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factcheck Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ryan Reynolds said: Disney only cares about money, look how they operate their parks, they price out the middle-class , greed rules Theatrical money is not the only thing Disney cares about; they also care about Disney+ money and Parks money. A black female movie will attract more black females to Disney+ and Parks. And every studio only cares about money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 10 hours ago, Reed121 said: Thor and Doctor Strange are in a better position because they have their popular main characters and male leads with some international appeal. Black Panther without T’Challa will become a weaker and weaker franchise below Thor probably. So in that sense it’s in trouble. Lol Wanda and the multiverse aspects of MoM were the bigger pulls, not "male lead" Strange. The third film will drop like a rock if there aren't other franchise characters in it, especially as MoM was meh. Marvel can always have team-ups like Civil War and Ragnarok to boost their individual films (heck, those films were designed to boost the Cap and Thor franchises respectively). The paranoia is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 8.1 5.3 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissykins Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said: 8.1 5.3 Violent Night should be over $13m then, nice. Production budget: $20m. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper Legion Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said: 8.1 5.3 Apocalypse canceled — 17.5ish still not great but makes a little more sense with the start of the week. Maybe 13.5 for VN, quite a solid start and the satsun heaviness should help with legs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugennumataka Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Unusually strong Sat for both WF and VN given their Fri holds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
