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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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THE HUNGER GAMES: MOCKINGJAY II | 371.7 M overseas | 653.4 M worldwide

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If Twilight: BD2 could get over 500M OS despite coming of a hated franchise, then I think HG:MJ2 could finish a bit higher than that.

Twilight was hated by certain people (most of whom never saw any Twilight films anyway), but it was actually generally well liked by its target audience.

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It has China as an advantage and I think it will do better in China than the last ones. And it's in 3D in foreign parts.

Also it's a finale part. Those "Part 2" films tends to hit the biggest, OS-wise. Look at Twilight:BD2 & HP:DH2.

If Twilight: BD2 could get over 500M OS despite coming of a hated franchise, then I think HG:MJ2 could finish a bit higher than that.

Chinese effect could go to the other side. Yuan (Chinese currency) is plummeting because of a devaluation ordered by Chinese government.

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It has China as an advantage and I think it will do better in China than the last ones. And it's in 3D in foreign parts.

Also it's a finale part. Those "Part 2" films tends to hit the biggest, OS-wise. Look at Twilight:BD2 & HP:DH2.

If Twilight: BD2 could get over 500M OS despite coming of a hated franchise, then I think HG:MJ2 could finish a bit higher than that.

Exact, if BD2 made $500m+ being only 2D and without China, I don't see how MJ2 will miss this mark

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my thinking is the finale effect could pull this over 550m without anything extra from China.  while China can't be expected to improve on every movie, i think this can also get a china increase on top of the finale effect.

 

600m+ for me OS.

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Let's put it into perspective:

 

Harry Potter:

Twilight

The Hunger Games

DH 1 Dom: 296m

DH 1 OS: 664.3m

DH 1 WW: 960.2m

BD 1 Dom: 281m

BD 1 OS: 431m

BD 1 WW: 712m

Mp1 Dom: 337m

Mp1 OS: 420m*

Mp1 WW: 757m*

DH 2 Dom: 381m

DH 2 OS: 960m

DH 2 WW: 1,341m

BD 2 Dom: 292m

BD 2 OS: 537m

BD 2 WW: 829m

 

Diff 1-2 Dom: +85m

Diff 1-2 OS: +296m

Diff 1-2 WW: +381m

Diff 1-2 Dom: +9m

Diff 1-2 OS: +107m

Diff 1-2 WW: +117m

 

*According to deadline (including Japan)

According to BOM OS: 414m; WW: 752m

 

Thougths? Edited by A D3 Rebel
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Mockingjay part 2 will open in Spain on November 27 due to a highly expected local film.

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$ is stronger against most currencies since MJ1. Take that account while projecting this. I doubt it will break out in China either. Its release will be sandwiched between SW7, KFP3 and other flicks in January and then CNY will lose all screens.

 

Country Currency depreciation

Brazil - 35%

Mexico - 25%

Euro - 10%

AUD - 20%

 

So I dont see all this 50% increase predictions.

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$ is stronger against most currencies since MJ1. Take that account while projecting this. I doubt it will break out in China either. Its release will be sandwiched between SW7, KFP3 and other flicks in January and then CNY will lose all screens.

Country Currency depreciation

Brazil - 35%

Mexico - 25%

Euro - 10%

AUD - 20%

So I dont see all this 50% increase predictions.

We already know the release date in China?

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$ is stronger against most currencies since MJ1. Take that account while projecting this. I doubt it will break out in China either. Its release will be sandwiched between SW7, KFP3 and other flicks in January and then CNY will lose all screens.

 

Country Currency depreciation

Brazil - 35%

Mexico - 25%

Euro - 10%

AUD - 20%

 

So I dont see all this 50% increase predictions.

Is a currency appreciation in sight for the mentioned countries?

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It's OS-gross has been updated recently in BOM.

It's now at $418M OS.

Wrong topic :P

But great that It increased

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Now that BOM updated the overseas numbers for Mockingjay part 1, I completed this table where we can see the performance of the franchise all over the world.

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Mj1 made about 35m in China and was in 3D (conversion just for China) . Why would it suddenly jump so much?

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MJ2 will possibly be released along with Spectre and Martian in China. 

Spectre 11-13

Martian 11-15

MJ2 11-20

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It's a tough competition. Fortunately, Mockingjay has a diferent audience.

 

How much can Mp2 get in China, Olive?

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Mockingjay Part 2 will have a Beijing Premiere (first time ever) on 12 November.  20 November will be the release date.

 

My prediction:  No less than around 50 million for China, possibly more. 

The premiere will bring in publicity and probably more money. 

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Yeah, 50M is a reasonable guess, competition is fierce.

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Yeah, 50M is a reasonable guess, competition is fierce.

Uurrgh....HG-movies has to be in the worst of the worst Chinese release slots.

Who picks those release dates for a HG-flick??? I don't get it.

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Uurrgh....HG-movies has to be in the worst of the worst Chinese release slots.

Who picks those release dates for a HG-flick???

I think the release date is good!    Why is it bad?   Are there other movies that close.   I know Spectre comes out before it, but I don't see that being a problem.

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