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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Weekend Actuals: 36.2 M ALIEN: COVENANT | 34.7 M GOTG II | 11.7 M EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING

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I think AC will hit 50m OW. That's a great preview number. Kong did less than that(previews), but still managed 61m OW. 

 

I will guess a 52m OW start for AC. It won't have fantastic legs though(like Prometheus)...

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8 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

 

Is that a real comic?

 

Its a webcomic called "Alien Loves Predator"

 

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Pretty good previews number for Covenant. Falling right on the range of the 3.6M midnight of Prometheus. Expecting it to be frontloaded, though - 43-45M OW on the way.

 

Everything, Everything... meh. Wimpy Kid beyond atrocious.

 

[And btw, if I were to pick a director for a new Alien Vs. Predator, I'd go for Matt Reeves or Sam Raimi.]

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19 minutes ago, Biggestgeekever said:

For me, the most obvious no-brainer way to make a successful AvP movie would basically be Predators with xenomorphs or Aliens with predators.

 

I think AvP with no human characters would be cool but I think unfortunately they need humans as cannon fodder. 

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25 minutes ago, Biggestgeekever said:

For me, the most obvious no-brainer way to make a successful AvP movie would basically be Predators with xenomorphs or Aliens with predators.

 

Long time since I've seen it but wasn't Requiem about Predators with Xenomorphs?

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1 minute ago, Jonwo said:

 

I think AvP with no human characters would be cool but I think unfortunately they need humans as cannon fodder. 

 

I don't see how it would be remotely interesting over a two-hour chunk of time. But that's just me.

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Just now, grim22 said:

 

Long time since I've seen it but wasn't Requiem about Predators with Xenomorphs?

Yes it was. 

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1 minute ago, grim22 said:

 

Long time since I've seen it but wasn't Requiem about Predators with Xenomorphs?

I actually meant that an AvP movie should be like the film "Predators" but include xenomorphs. Basically, a bunch of badass humans out in a jungle that have to fight both of them at the same time.

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41 minutes ago, PPZVGOS said:

 

Ridley Scott (well past his prime, in fact imo, Scott has produced two masterpieces and not much else) was not the right man for this. A great director is needed to pull this off. There's a real dearth of directorial talent in Hollywood right now. 

 

Gladiator, Telma&Louise, Black Hack Down, American gangster, The Martian would not be that bad of a career

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2 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

Gladiator, Telma&Louise, Black Hack Down, American gangster, The Martian would not be that bad of a career

 

Don't forget the  1984 Apple commercial and the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven. Even Matchstick Men which was a box office bomb was decent.

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Outstanding word of mouth will put AC to 60m+ OW no doubt.

 

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38 minutes ago, Tele Came Back said:

 

But McAvoy...

I'm done with Charles (until Atomic Blonde). All hail Erik.

 

36 minutes ago, CoolEric258 said:

Question: How much should I see of the series before I jump into this? The movie looks hella dope, but I don't want to get lost during it.

You need to see Prometheus at the bare minimum. Technically speaking, you'd be fine without having seen any of them, but the impact is much bigger if you've seen Prometheus.

 

34 minutes ago, grim22 said:

 

Wasnt Split the movie of the decade? 

Never said that.

 

21 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

 

Are you an Alien fan?

 

Did you like it better than Prometheus?

Yes

 

Yes

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Anyways, fucking great number for Alien. Knew I should have raised my prediction to 45M.

That seems ok for EE.

Wimpy Kid is an absolute disaster :rofl: Would it have even made 100k without the 5 PM start? :jeb!: 

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While I was mixed on Alien Covenant, I can't deny that Ridley Scott's still got it and he's nearly 80. His body of work has a mix of good and bad but what directors has a flawless track record. 

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39 minutes ago, CoolEric258 said:

Question: How much should I see of the series before I jump into this? The movie looks hella dope, but I don't want to get lost during it.

 

Watch at least the first two Alien movies! They are pretty good!

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3 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

Gladiator, Telma&Louise, Black Hack Down, American gangster, The Martian would not be that bad of a career

 

Well, I know I'm in an extremely small minority here, but I don't think those movies are that good. OK, maybe I will concede on Thelma & Louise. But! Gladiator starts really strongly, then goes into cliche overdrive. American Gangster is "meh", Black Hawk Down is turgid beyond belief and The Martian is cheesier than 2lbs of cheddar.

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The budget for Covenant is  $97m which is less than both Prometheus which was $120-130m and even The Martian which was $108m. I'm guessing they got tax credits for shooting in New Zealand and also Ridley must be good at keeping costs under control

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Everywhere I look Wimpy Kid is having some pretty damn good matinees. Everything Everything is doing almost nothing for first shows, but that's to be expected. Roles will probably reverse when we get into the evening.

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Just now, DAJK said:

Everywhere I look Wimpy Kid is having some pretty damn good matinees. Everything Everything is doing almost nothing for first shows, but that's to be expected. Roles will probably reverse when we get into the evening.

 

Wimpy Kid is a weekend title so it'll thrive in the afternoon on Saturday and Sunday. I guess the budget is low so Fox will make a profit anyway.

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