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IMDB ratings are actually trash. I don't know why anyone takes any stock in it.

I wasn't big on S2, but S3 and S4 more than made up for it. I had a couple of friends who gave up on it after the second season and I haven't been able to convince them to pick it back up. Zaheer was legit amazing though, one of my favourite villains of the last few years.

It got a pretty decent response at TIFF if I recall correctly.

I honestly don't think I can get any worse than last week. I've probably jinxed myself now .

ouch I think the lowest grossing one I saw in theatres is Hunt for the Wilderpeople. Lowest overall was Tickled, or if you don't count documentaries it was Elvis & Nixon.

This month is actually super packed for me because I'm finally getting all the award-sy movies. Had Jackie last weekend, Moonlight and Lion this one and then Manchester by the Sea and Hidden Figures in the one after that. Plus a lot of other cool stuff that's out that I'm trying to get a chance to see like Paterson. Plus this free xXx tickets. Which I'm hoping will be some good, dumb fun.

BOT Top 25 here we come.

It involves rats and laboratories.

Yeah I've seen loads of competitions for xXx tickets. Which is how I've ended up with a double pass to it so go me.

Was just having a look at the nominations for the NZ Film Awards, which are pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme, but it's cool to see what gets noticed. Anyway, Wilderpeople, to the shock of no-one, got the most nominations with 15 for; Best Film Best Director Best Screenplay Best Actress Best Actor Best Supporting Actress Best Supporting Actor Best Cinematography Best Production Design Best Score Best Sound Best Costume Design Best Makeup Design Which is probably a record but I'd have to check. Might/probably will pull a mini-LLL down here and sweep the awards. Also Tickled got a few of nominations as well and I can't recommend that documentary enough.

I think it's interesting how pretty much everyone seems to have enjoyed the movie more the second time around. I know I did.

I don't think this will make very much at all. Like you said, even after it expands it'll still be on very few screens. It'll be lucky to cross 1M total IMO.

Well, you seem to be comparing BvS to films that opened much lower like Alice 2. You've bought up the Alice 2 comparison a couple of times, but I don't think it can really be compared to BvS. Pretty much everyone was expecting Alice 2 to flop, although it flopped a lot harder than most people were expecting. BvS, on the other hand, had an enormous amount of interest which we could see from the trailer views and the opening weekend. The opening was in line with expectations; it was the legs that made it a "loser" from jandrews point of view. If you have a look at the 42 films that opened above 100M, BvS is the only one to not get a multiplier above 2. You are right that it's hard to compare multipliers due to the multitude of factors that go into them, but BvS had an especially bad one. It's safe to say it had one of the worst multipliers of any modern blockbuster. This in itself is enough to make the film seem pretty disappointing but coupled with how much BvS was expected to make, I think it's pretty clear why jandrew is calling it a loser. If you have a look back to the predictions on here and in the trades in 2015, even the most pessimistic predictions had it over 350M. The fact is that this movie had a perfect release date, with several weeks clear of competition and an opening on Easter Weekend. It had (generally) pretty good marketing and the public interest was clearly present, which we can see by looking at how much the last two Batman films made along with the general dominance of the superhero genre. Despite all this it fell off a cliff after the first week and what should have been one of the highest grossing films of the year didn't even make the top 5 DOM or WW. Note: Sort by Rank or any other column to view all wide releases. Rank Title (click to view) Studio Opening* % of Total Theaters Avg. Total Gross^ Date** 1 Star Wars: The Force Awakens BV $247,966,675 26.5% 4,134 $59,982 $936,662,225 12/18/2015 2 Jurassic World Uni. $208,806,270 32.0% 4,274 $48,855 $652,270,625 6/12/2015 3 Marvel's The Avengers BV $207,438,708 33.3% 4,349 $47,698 $623,357,910 5/4/2012 4 Avengers: Age of Ultron BV $191,271,109 41.7% 4,276 $44,731 $459,005,868 5/1/2015 5 Captain America: Civil War BV $179,139,142 43.9% 4,226 $42,390 $408,084,349 5/6/2016 6 Iron Man 3 BV $174,144,585 42.6% 4,253 $40,946 $409,013,994 5/3/2013 7 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 WB $169,189,427 44.4% 4,375 $38,672 $381,011,219 7/15/2011 8 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice WB $166,007,347 50.3% 4,242 $39,134 $330,360,194 3/25/2016 9 The Dark Knight Rises WB $160,887,295 35.9% 4,404 $36,532 $448,139,099 7/20/2012 10 The Dark Knight WB $158,411,483 29.7% 4,366 $36,283 $533,345,358 7/18/2008 11 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire LGF $158,074,286 37.2% 4,163 $37,971 $424,668,047 11/22/2013 12 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story BV $155,081,681 30.9% 4,157 $37,306 $501,898,446 12/16/2016 13 The Hunger Games LGF $152,535,747 37.4% 4,137 $36,871 $408,010,692 3/23/2012 14 Spider-Man 3 Sony $151,116,516 44.9% 4,252 $35,540 $336,530,303 5/4/2007 15 Furious 7 Uni. $147,187,040 41.7% 4,004 $36,760 $353,007,020 4/3/2015 16 The Twilight Saga: New Moon Sum. $142,839,137 48.2% 4,024 $35,497 $296,623,634 11/20/2009 17 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2 LG/S $141,067,634 48.3% 4,070 $34,660 $292,324,737 11/16/2012 18 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1 Sum. $138,122,261 49.1% 4,061 $34,012 $281,287,133 11/18/2011 19 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV $135,634,554 32.0% 4,133 $32,817 $423,315,812 7/7/2006 20 Finding Dory BV $135,060,273 27.8% 4,305 $31,373 $486,295,561 6/17/2016 21 Suicide Squad WB $133,682,248 41.1% 4,255 $31,418 $325,100,054 8/5/2016 22 Deadpool Fox $132,434,639 36.5% 3,558 $37,222 $363,070,709 2/12/2016 23 Iron Man 2 Par. $128,122,480 41.0% 4,380 $29,252 $312,433,331 5/7/2010 24 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1 WB $125,017,372 42.2% 4,125 $30,307 $295,983,305 11/19/2010 25 The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1 LGF $121,897,634 36.2% 4,151 $29,366 $337,135,885 11/21/2014 26 Shrek the Third P/DW $121,629,270 37.7% 4,122 $29,507 $322,719,944 5/18/2007 27 Man of Steel WB $116,619,362 40.1% 4,207 $27,720 $291,045,518 6/14/2013 28 Alice in Wonderland (2010) BV $116,101,023 34.7% 3,728 $31,143 $334,191,110 3/5/2010 29 Minions Uni. $115,718,405 34.4% 4,301 $26,905 $336,045,770 7/10/2015 30 Spider-Man Sony $114,844,116 28.4% 3,615 $31,768 $403,706,375 5/3/2002 31 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End BV $114,732,820 37.1% 4,362 $26,302 $309,420,425 5/25/2007 32 Toy Story 3 BV $110,307,189 26.6% 4,028 $27,385 $415,004,880 6/18/2010 33 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen P/DW $108,966,307 27.1% 4,234 $25,736 $402,111,870 6/24/2009 34 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox $108,435,841 28.5% 3,661 $29,619 $380,270,577 5/19/2005 35 Shrek 2 DW $108,037,878 24.5% 4,163 $25,951 $441,226,247 5/19/2004 36 The Secret Life of Pets Uni. $104,352,905 28.3% 4,370 $23,879 $368,384,330 7/8/2016 37 The Jungle Book (2016) BV $103,261,464 28.4% 4,028 $25,636 $364,001,123 4/15/2016 38 X-Men: The Last Stand Fox $102,750,665 43.8% 3,690 $27,845 $234,362,462 5/26/2006 39 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire WB $102,685,961 35.4% 3,858 $26,616 $290,013,036 11/18/2005 40 The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2 LGF $102,665,981 36.4% 4,175 $24,591 $281,723,902 11/20/2015 41 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Par. $100,137,835 31.6% 4,260 $23,507 $317,101,119 5/22/2008 42 Transformers: Age of Extinction Par. $100,038,390 40.8% 4,233 $23,633 $245,439,076 6/27/2014 Even when we look past the multiplier, it's gross compared to other Batman films is still really lackluster. It opened higher than any other Batman movie before it, but ended up with more than 100M less than TDKR. The adjusted grosses of all the live action Batman films shows just how poorly it did compared to the rest. Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation Rank Title (click to view) Studio Adjusted Gross Unadjusted Gross Release 1 The Dark Knight WB $632,029,400 $533,345,358 7/18/08 2 Batman WB $535,743,800 $251,188,924 6/23/89 3 The Dark Knight Rises WB $490,021,200 $448,139,099 7/20/12 4 Batman Forever WB $360,024,100 $184,031,112 6/16/95 5 Batman Returns WB $333,903,100 $162,831,698 6/19/92 6 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice WB $325,598,000 $330,360,194 3/25/16 7 Batman Begins WB $272,617,100 $205,343,774 6/15/05 8 Batman and Robin WB $198,984,200 $107,325,195 6/20/97 It's easy to point at its final tally in a vacuum and say "hey, that's a lot of money", but it wasn't in a vacuum. It's characters make up one of the biggest movie franchises in the world. It's budget was the higher than TDKR (230M vs 250M), which indicates that Warner Brothers anticipated it to match that, yet it came in doing less than even the most pessimistic of predictions with $330M. A key point I think you're missing from jandrews blog is how he is judging what is a winner and what is a loser. He isn't looking at just the total gross, as we can see in the first paragraph of his original post; This list isn't just about gross, but rather gross, reception, and expectations. So from these criteria we can say it's gross was significantly lower than expected and I don't think anyone can defend it's reception, both critically and by the GA. As a result, I think it is crystal clear why jandrew called it a loser. Especially considering that this further hurt the good will that audiences have towards DC films. They've had 3 movies in a row with mixed-to-poor critical and GA reception (although Suicide Squad did rectify it somewhat with the GA, in my opinion), so it seems likely that this might limit the financial potential of their future films. I've got a bit too worked up over this, so I apologise. This kind of list does boil down to opinions and it's fine to disagree. Like Porthos said, they're fuzzy things.

The issue is your rebuttal doesn't hold water. Almost everyone here disagrees with what you are saying, but you keep acting like your argument invalidates jandrews points. He explained pretty clearly what his thought process is behind his decision to call BvS a loser. He doesn't really have to read your posts because you're pretty much just regurgitating the same argument that he has already disagreed with.

Christ on a cracker. I think that's my worst score ever.

Guys at work were talking about movies they did English projects about. They said In Time was a great movie. Like it wasn't just one person, it was agreed upon by a decent amount of people. Hey, if it works for them. All the power to them I guess. but in time??

They are almost universally considered a good way of looking at a films WOM. Yes, they are not the be-all-and-end-all but BvS' multiplier was objectively terrible compared to pretty much every other blockbuster. You seem to be trying to reinvent the wheel here; we all use multipliers to gauge a films box office performance. It's not like it's a new concept.

I enjoyed this quite a bit. Natalie Portman was amazing as the titular character and the supporting cast was equally as strong. The production was gorgeous. It'll be a crime if this doesn't at least get a nod for costume design. It's shot beautifully. Every shot felt very deliberate, which I think worked very well considering Jackie's character. My only criticism was how sterile it felt. I get what they were going for but it felt a bit too cold at times. Regardless, it's a great film. I'd give it an A-. Also, their JFK was a spitting image. Like, damn son; that guys got a career in JFK impersonation ahead of him. Interesting that they never really made him act .

I've enjoyed a lot of the 'filler' episodes as well. Legends of the Lasat was probably one of my favourite of the series, but tonight's one was really good as well.

Not like you're missing much. If it's anything like the one I go to, you've got like fifteen minutes before the trailers even start. So many ads.

25 extra points if you book in advance.

I thought you were in rehab for this shit?

holy shit my derby is so fucked

Oh yeah, that makes sense. Still a funny quote to put on something that's widely going to be considered a 2017 release (by the GA anyway).