Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

[TomCruiseTop]

13 minutes ago, Lothar said:

Can I make a thread " Avatar 2 over TFA Dom (Adjusted and Non-Adjusted) 

Probably be removed for being too crazy. 

[Lothar]

4 minutes ago, tawasal said:

A little boxoffice history for you: 

 

1	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	BV	$936,662,225	4,134	$247,966,675	4,134	12/18/15
2	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$620,113,967	4,232	$220,009,584	4,232	12/15/17

 

 

1	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	$623,357,910	4,349	$207,438,708	4,349	5/4/12
2	Avengers: Age of Ultron	BV	$459,005,868	4,276	$191,271,109	4,276	5/1/15

 

 

1	The Dark Knight	WB	$533,345,358	4,366	$158,411,483	4,366	7/18/08
2	The Dark Knight Rises	WB	$448,139,099	4,404	$160,887,295	4,404	7/20/12

 

 

17	9	The Empire Strikes Back	Fox	$209,398,025	1,278	$4,910,483	126	5/21/80
18	6	Star Wars	Fox	$307,263,857	1,750	$1,554,475	43	5/25/77

 

 

 

8	7	Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones	Fox	$302,191,252	3,161	$80,027,814	3,161	5/16/02
9	4	Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace	Fox	$431,088,295	3,126	$64,820,970	2,970	5/19/99

 

 

1	Spider-Man	Sony	$403,706,375	3,876	$114,844,116	3,615	5/3/02
2	Spider-Man 2	Sony	$373,585,825	4,166	$88,156,227	4,152	6/30/04

Well, there are other examples which showed sequel increased from it's original movie. One of them is Twilight Breaking Dawn 2

[TomCruiseTop]

@tawasal would you pull up the numbers for Alien vs Aliens and Terminator vs Terminator 2? 

[Plain Old Tele]

1 minute ago, Lothar said:

Well, there are other examples which showed sequel increased from it's original movie. One of them is Twilight Breaking Dawn 2

 

That’s the fourth sequel in. 

[Lothar]

5 minutes ago, tawasal said:

 

 

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But.... But..... He was once. and now Gone With The Wind.

[IronJimbo]

@tawasal

 

TFA used 10+ years of hype from the last film (sound familar?)

Age of Ultron was a poor film

Batman Begins.

Empire is a decent example of your point.

Phantom Menace and Aotc were both poorly received

With 11 years inflation Avatar 2 would outgross Avatar with that spiderman % drop

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lothar]

1 minute ago, Trolltastic Tele said:

 

That’s the fourth sequel in. 

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

[IronJimbo]

1 minute ago, Trolltastic Tele said:

 

That’s the fourth sequel in. 

That didn't stop @tawasal !!

[tawasal]

2 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

@tawasal would you pull up the numbers for Alien vs Aliens and Terminator vs Terminator 2? 

Come on you wanna compare a movie that made 65m in 1984 and the sequel in 1991 that made 204m. That is not the same league as going from 760m to 950m if we go by IronJimbo's 25% jump. And the Aliens were long ago. Compare it to more recent movies. 

[tawasal]

3 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

@tawasal

 

TFA used 10+ years of hype from the last film (sound familar?)

Age of Ultron was a poor film

Batman Begins.

Empire is a decent example of your point.

Phantom Menace and Aotc were both poorly received

With 11 years inflation Avatar 2 would outgross Avatar with that spiderman % drop

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Increase from 205m is not that big of an ask compared to 760m. 

[TomCruiseTop]

Just now, tawasal said:

Come on you wanna compare a movie that made 65m in 1984 and the sequel in 1991 that made 204m. That is not the same league as going from 760m to 950m if we go by IronJimbo's 25% jump. And the Aliens were long ago. Compare it to more recent movies. 

That's it. Move the goal posts

 

Pathetic. Would comparing them really be such a task? You were so keen just a short time ago to give us all "a little boxoffice history". 

[Lothar]

1	The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King	NL	$377,027,325	3,703	$72,629,713	3,703	12/17/03
2	The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers	NL	$339,789,881	3,622	$62,007,528	3,622	12/18/02
3	The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring	NL	$313,364,114	3,381	$47,211,490	3,359	12/19/01

 

I think @tawasal We have LotR

[tawasal]

3 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

That didn't stop @tawasal !!

Twilight is one single tied film series. The movies I used were made each as their own trilogy series. 

[TomCruiseTop]

Just now, Lothar said:

1	The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King	NL	$377,027,325	3,703	$72,629,713	3,703	12/17/03
2	The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers	NL	$339,789,881	3,622	$62,007,528	3,622	12/18/02
3	The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring	NL	$313,364,114	3,381	$47,211,490	3,359	12/19/01

 

I think @tawasal We have LotR

Lothar my friend, you're being idiotic - we can use Terminator to Terminator 2 as a perfectly fine comparison. 

 

It's why I am not at all joking when I say I believe A2 can do over 10B WW. 

[tawasal]

1 minute ago, Lothar said:

1	The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King	NL	$377,027,325	3,703	$72,629,713	3,703	12/17/03
2	The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers	NL	$339,789,881	3,622	$62,007,528	3,622	12/18/02
3	The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring	NL	$313,364,114	3,381	$47,211,490	3,359	12/19/01

 

I think @tawasal We have LotR

I knew about this, but this is the only occurence where the first movie made over 300m and the sequel had an increase. 

[Plain Old Tele]

1 minute ago, Lothar said:

1	The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King	NL	$377,027,325	3,703	$72,629,713	3,703	12/17/03
2	The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers	NL	$339,789,881	3,622	$62,007,528	3,622	12/18/02
3	The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring	NL	$313,364,114	3,381	$47,211,490	3,359	12/19/01

 

I think @tawasal We have LotR

 

Its highly unlikely, but it’s not impossible. However, all these success stories — while big hits — were among not the enormous All-Timers that we’re talking about here. It’s an order of magnitude more difficult as you reach the tiers of 400m+ (in fact, I don’t think it’s been done before).

[IronJimbo]

1 minute ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

Lothar my friend, you're being idiotic - we can use Terminator to Terminator 2 as a perfectly fine comparison. 

 

It's why I am not at all joking when I say I believe A2 can do over 10B WW. 

holy shit you're right I've been low balling this whole time.

[Lothar]

and if anyone isinterested in Hunger Games

 

1	The Hunger Games: Catching Fire	LGF	$424,668,047	4,163	$158,074,286	4,163	11/22/13
2	The Hunger Games	LGF	$408,010,692	4,137	$152,535,747	4,137	3/23/12

[IronJimbo]

Just now, Trolltastic Tele said:

 

Its highly unlikely, but it’s not impossible. However, all these success stories — while big hits — were among not the enormous All-Timers that we’re talking about here. It’s an order of magnitude more difficult as you reach the tiers of 400m+ (in fact, I don’t think it’s been done before).

I wouldn't have it any other way.

[tawasal]

2 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

Lothar my friend, you're being idiotic - we can use Terminator to Terminator 2 as a perfectly fine comparison. 

 

It's why I am not at all joking when I say I believe A2 can do over 10B WW. 

Come on beating 65m in 1991 would be like if Avatar made anything bellow 400m in 2009 I would say it had 80% of beating that. But 760m is a huge number itself.