Lordmandeep Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Male gaze is frown upon. Men are pervs who only think about sex, tits and ass. Woman gaze is not. Women are pure, virgin, harmless creatures who also think about sex, six packs torsos and butts. My point is both are fine, just like to see more men put in sexual objectify roles as well. I don't have an issue of actors and actresses being sexual objects in a film, they are selling a film and people want that in films, as much as we like to say we don't. For example look at BW in the Avengers, first shot of her, she is in a chair in a dress showing cleavage. Is that really "bad"?. 90% of guys are thinking "nice". Edited April 25, 2015 by Lordmandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I also think both are fine but that s not how society works or thinks about these issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goffe Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 The same people who say shirtless guys in Magic Mike is proof that Hollywood isn't sexist are the same types of people that say "But why don't we talk about when a black cop kills a white kid?!?!" It's just so fucking moronic. It's not a historical culture pattern, it's a random anomaly. Coincidentally, the same people who go out of their way to defend cops have the same type of worldview as those "Hollywood isn't sexist" gang. it's hypocritical not matter how you spin it. Some people should just drop "female objectification is bad" altogether, or call people out when a male is objectified, anomaly or not. I'm on the side that don't really care if a male or female body is objectified. Casting a beautiful actress just to look pretty on screen in not sexism, it's just bad writing. About that moronic generalization, I will just say that things can get so easily manipulated by media or people who have an agenda, 90% of the time we barely have any evidence of what really happened, none of us were there after all, and yet people people don't hesitate in calling racial profiling/racism/whatever every fucking time a white cop kills a black person. They're just as clever as "But why don't we talk about when a black cop kills a white kid?!?!" side. It's not about defending cops, it's about giving the benefit of the doubt to both sides. Sadly "everyone wants to have an (uninformed) opinion about everything" rabbit prevails most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KATCH-2D2 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 it's hypocritical not matter how you spin it. Some people should just drop "female objectification is bad" altogether, or call people out when a male is objectified, anomaly or not. I'm on the side that don't really care if a male or female body is objectified. Casting a beautiful actress just to look pretty on screen in not sexism, it's just bad writing. About that moronic generalization, I will just say that things can get so easily manipulated by media or people who have an agenda, 90% of the time we barely have any evidence of what really happened, none of us were there after all, and yet people people don't hesitate in calling racial profiling/racism/whatever every fucking time a white cop kills a black person. They're just as clever as "But why don't we talk about when a black cop kills a white kid?!?!" side. It's not about defending cops, it's about giving the benefit of the doubt to both sides. Sadly "everyone wants to have an (uninformed) opinion about everything" rabbit prevails most of the time. I just ran out of 'like' but bravo to your post. Couldn't have said it better. It's funny how some people still go on about how women being used as 'sexually objects' in films when the most drool-worthy shirtless scenes from all MCU movies came from Thor, Cap and Star Lord... In AOU I've seen nothing from SW apart from her pretty face but Vision might as well being naked from what he's wearing. No need to mention MOS since we all know how 'revealing' Supes outfit is. It's so awesome to be a girl. I love how I can objectify male beautiful bodies without being called sexist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrendar44 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Male gaze is frown upon. Men are pervs who only think about sex, tits and ass. Woman gaze is not. Women are pure, virgin, harmless creatures who also think about sex, six packs torsos and butts. Hence movies like Magic Mike are seen as funny and harmless and Showgirls and striptease are sleazy and vulgar. Male objectification : cool,sexy,funny. Female objectfication : not cool, porn, remnants of the ancient deviant machist world. Bad. To condemn. Male objectification? You mean male objects that are dominant, assert their desires on girls, lead them and exert power on them because that's what is supposed to get every women wet. I don't know how you can cry foul when you analyze what this "male objectication by female gaze" entails too. Male strippers are less seen as disposable sex toys on feet than an idealization of a perfect male. You take that specimen in the streets, he's called an handsome winner, you put the female equivalent in the streets she's called a slutty whore. Have you seen Magic Mike? You think that's the same as girls being sex objects and dolls in the hands of drooling males? That's what the sexist stereotypes entail to because the guy doesn't have to deal as much with the submissive aspect of that gaze. Edited April 26, 2015 by MADash Rendar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) True but from my own experiences the ideal that strippers are repressed women is not fully accurate. No doubt sex workers are still. In certain places they are, however in most places they use their overwhelming sexuality to make a good living from 'horny men' (and Lesbians). However no doubt they are subject to a lot of insults and objectification. Things have changed, people atleast see them as human beings these days. Edited April 26, 2015 by Lordmandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) I was talking to my friend who calls himself a "former feminist" and he actually claimed that "male gaze" is a "scientifically flawed reasoning" as it is not inclusive of "LGBTQIA interests". Yes, because those objectified women in cologne/razor/men's clothing ads are totally keeping sapphic desires in mind. Apart from Catwoman and Ellen page, I have not been impressed really. TDKR "Catwoman" was nothing but a 2D Mary Sue. Ariadne was just a POV stand in for the audience. The only truly interesting Nolan female character was Mal, who ironically represented a cumulation of a male character's deep seated insecurities and fears. Nolan trying to tell us something about himself? Edited April 26, 2015 by Spidey Freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandrew Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 As a negro From a black man to another black man...did you really call yourself a negro??? In 2015??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilmac Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 From a black man to another black man...did you really call yourself a negro??? In 2015??? I said it in a joking non-chalant manner (hard to convey via text). Of course I don't call myself a negro. hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Why rappers are still dropping lots of n-----s in their lyrics, then ? N----- is less offensive than negro ? Edited April 30, 2015 by Telemachos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandrew Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Why rappers are still dropping lots of n-----s in their lyrics, then ? N----- is less offensive than negro ? I have no idea how this even has to do with movies and why you felt the need to drop it so casually. Edited April 30, 2015 by Telemachos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I have no idea how this even has to do with movies and why you felt the need to drop it so casually. I meant no harm at all, I just don t know the differences between these two words that you can hear in movies too. Sorry for being curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmasterclay Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Futurist loves being edgy and couldn't pass up the chance to do it here. Completely irrelevant to the topic. Bannable offense, actually. I ain't snitchin, though. That's all on the mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I really don t undertand your reactions at all. English is not my native language. Something got lost in translation I guess. I was not trying to be edgy at all. Sorry if I offended anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandrew Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I meant no harm at all, I just don t know the differences between these two words that you can hear in movies too. Sorry for being curious. N---er is not what rappers say. N---er is an oppressive and highly offensive word. Always will be. When you watched 12 Years and Django, they were saying that, not n-gga, which didn't even exist back then. Black people don't say the N-word to each other. Only people that still say that word in 2015 is racists (off all colors). N---a is what rappers say, and its just slang today, whether people like it or not. It's lost a lot of its shock now, just like the F word, yet still something you shouldn't just drop casually in convos. "Negro" isnt offensive, it literally means black. In America it's an outdated term, just like the term "colored people." Black and African American is what you hear now. That's why I made that post to Lilmac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Futurist loves being edgy and couldn't pass up the chance to do it here. Completely irrelevant to the topic. Bannable offense, actually. I ain't snitchin, though. That's all on the mods. There be a lot of banned people on this forum lol including myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinHood26 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) I'm not black, but ending it with an A is just as bad... Honestly rappers maybe the reason the word never died out. It's now a joke. That's why terms like white girl exist, only to desensitize the N word. Internet culture,memes, ohhh " she's such a white girl" ... "dis N**** think he cute" it's like saying this hoe, this person. To people my age it's the same thing and that's a problem. We have turned it into a joke. Edited April 28, 2015 by Jay Hollywood 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) N---er is not what rappers say. N---er is an oppressive and highly offensive word. Always will be. When you watched 12 Years and Django, they were saying that, not n-gga, which didn't even exist back then. Black people don't say the N-word to each other. Only people that still say that word in 2015 is racists (off all colors). N---a is what rappers say, and its just slang today, whether people like it or not. It's lost a lot of its shock now, just like the F word, yet still something you shouldn't just drop casually in convos. "Negro" isnt offensive, it literally means black. In America it's an outdated term, just like the term "colored people." Black and African American is what you hear now. That's why I made that post to Lilmac. A lot of black people say N---er all the fucking time lol Edited April 29, 2015 by jessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) I'm not black, but ending it with an A is just as bad... Honestly rappers maybe the reason the word never died out. It's now a joke. That's why terms like white girl exist, only to desensitize the N word. Internet culture,memes, ohhh " she's such a white girl" ... "dis N**** think he cute" it's like saying this hoe, this person. To people my age it's the same thing and that's a problem. We have turned it into a joke. Enough time has passed for it to not be so damn offensive. Not like I ever use the word, but its really not seen as that big of a deal now unless someone actually uses the word as a form of insult, but using it in a joke to a black friend is quite the norm now. Maybe that's because I live in the UK though, I've always found Americans are far more sensitive about this stuff. Edited April 29, 2015 by jessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandrew Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 A lot of black people say N---er all the fucking time lol Don't start. This is not even the right thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
