Diversity and Gender Representation in Movies

[RobinHood26]

I'm sorry, I think that's absurd. We -- collectively -- change it. It's not solely up to the people who bear the brunt of it.

But your not 22

I can look you straight in the face and say 8/10 women over sexualize themselves at our age. Especially with social media. Finding a girl with out a sexual photo of herself that she took and uploaded is rarely.

Its an endless cycle. But it's women's fault just as much as men. No one wants to admit it but it's the truth . 50/50

[Claire of Themyscira]

You're such a mess, omg. I'll wait to drag you when I'm done with class, if I feel like doing so by then.

[Alpha]

Alice Eve stripping down in STID, looking back at it, really was in there for men to ogle at her, so I can see where sexism could come into play.

But then again, I was reading the Magic Mike XXL thread and saw this:

Oh, bullshit.

MM was marketed as a sexy comedy, but it was actually a somewhat raunchy melodrama full of half-baked conflict between a boring couple. MMXXL seems like it might actually deliver in terms of the fun factor, as well as the stripping. It'll have a plot, but one that might not make me long to fast-forward the non-stripping scenes. If my girlfriends and I can ditch the kids, watch MMXXL and have fun, that's all I care about.

Lol, I can name at least one hundred gay pornstars hotter than Channing or Pettyfer.

I agree to an extent, no one should expect very explicit scenes... but it WAS marketed as being a film about strippers. And while it is about strippers, there's very little stripping, which was disappointing to many people.

I dunno, I guess this whole "sexism in Hollywood" deal goes both ways. Studios just make movies targeting different audiences, and what men want is hot women, and what women want is hot men.

Edited April 22, 2015 by Alpha

[Lordmandeep]

It depends in ST2 the stripping scene was so out of place.

 

 

However Megan Fox bending over in TF1 during the car hood scene seemed well placed. 

[dashrendar44]

Alice Eve stripping down in STID, looking back at it, really was in there for men to ogle at her, so I can see where sexism could come into play.

But then again, I was reading the Magic Mike XXL thread and saw this:

I dunno, I guess this whole "sexism in Hollywood" deal goes both ways. Studios just make movies targeting different audiences, and what men want is hot women, and what women want is hot men.

So it was actually Striptease Into Darkness?

Yeah Hollywood is pandering and keep on dragging sexist stereotypes. Just because audiences revel in that doesn't mean there aren't any issue regarding those stereotypes depiction and that we're entitled to gratuitous nudity for no rhyme and reason.

[4815162342]

The thing about the Alice Eve dress-down in STID that was the worst was how clinical it was. No context, no energy, just pure cold calculation.

 

Compared to how much objectification there is in other franchises (Fast and Furious) it was minor, but it stands out for how artificial it was.

[Cmasterclay]

There is a clear difference between sexuality and objectification/exploitation. Plenty of feminists, especially in the third wave, are supporters of sex-positive imagery in media- the ability for women to be sexual, open, and exposed WITHOUT being exploited in doing so. So there's plenty of feminist/progressive support for women showing skin in movies/ads/TV. The difference is that something like Alice Eve is not a sex-positive moment where the woman's sexuality plays an important role to the plot- it's literally just a woman stripping to have a woman strip. Even the women's bodies in Fast are, while objectified, fit to the tone of the movie and portrayed in an energetic, sex-not quite positive but certainly not STID bad. Like Numbers said, the Eve stuff was as cold and calculated as it gets, serving no purpose to either the story or the tone of the movie. It literally treats a woman as if she is an object, considering she does nothing else in the movie. 

[John Marston]

There is a clear difference between sexuality and objectification/exploitation. Plenty of feminists, especially in the third wave, are supporters of sex-positive imagery in media- the ability for women to be sexual, open, and exposed WITHOUT being exploited in doing so. So there's plenty of feminist/progressive support for women showing skin in movies/ads/TV. The difference is that something like Alice Eve is not a sex-positive moment where the woman's sexuality plays an important role to the plot- it's literally just a woman stripping to have a woman strip. Even the women's bodies in Fast are, while objectified, fit to the tone of the movie and portrayed in an energetic, sex-not quite positive but certainly not STID bad. Like Numbers said, the Eve stuff was as cold and calculated as it gets, serving no purpose to either the story or the tone of the movie. It literally treats a woman as if she is an object, considering she does nothing else in the movie.

This is not true. She did other stuff in the movie

[Cmasterclay]

This is not true. She did other stuff in the movie

She existed, but she really served no other purpose to the plot or any of the movie's themes. The point is that she was clearly treated as an object in one very prominent scene- one that was in every commercial- in a way that added nothing to the movie.

[Claire of Themyscira]

There is a clear difference between sexuality and objectification/exploitation. Plenty of feminists, especially in the third wave, are supporters of sex-positive imagery in media- the ability for women to be sexual, open, and exposed WITHOUT being exploited in doing so. So there's plenty of feminist/progressive support for women showing skin in movies/ads/TV. The difference is that something like Alice Eve is not a sex-positive moment where the woman's sexuality plays an important role to the plot- it's literally just a woman stripping to have a woman strip. Even the women's bodies in Fast are, while objectified, fit to the tone of the movie and portrayed in an energetic, sex-not quite positive but certainly not STID bad. Like Numbers said, the Eve stuff was as cold and calculated as it gets, serving no purpose to either the story or the tone of the movie. It literally treats a woman as if she is an object, considering she does nothing else in the movie. 

Clock a bit.

[Cmasterclay]

Clock a bit.

Huh? I don't know what this means, sad to say.

Edited April 22, 2015 by cmasterclay

[Alpha]

The problem with Alice Eve in STID is she wasn't particularly memorable, just sort of a one-dimensional female character. Therefore, the striptease scene was really unfitting because we didn't really get to know her character beforehand.

[Claire of Themyscira]

Huh? I don't know what this means, sad to say.

It's like drag a bit, basically. I was praising you for scalping, spilling the tea, telling the truth, being real. Get my gist?

[Cmasterclay]

It's like drag a bit, basically. I was praising you for scalping, spilling the tea, telling the truth, being real. Get my gist?

I gotcha! 

[Lordmandeep]

Megan Fox was a more stronger female character then the girl in ST2. 

[Avatree]

what men want is hot women, and what women want is hot men.

that's a pretty extreme generalisation

[Kvikk Lunsj]

that's a pretty extreme generalisation

But it is pretty true in the entertainment industry. Most actors and model are better looking the average person.  Hollywood uses makeup and camera tricks to make people look better. 

[Avatree]

But it is pretty true in the entertainment industry. Most actors and model are better looking the average person.  Hollywood uses makeup and camera tricks to make people look better. 

I'm not talking about that, I meant sexuality, also I really don't think as many people care about the appearance of actors as you think.

[Kvikk Lunsj]

I'm not talking about that, I meant sexuality, also I really don't think as many people care about the appearance of actors as you think.

I think they do. People enjoy looking at good looking people. Human are meant for lust. Look at every big blockbuster movie good looking actors and actress. 

[lilmac]

Your post seems ignorant of one key thing, with quotes like "James Bond should always be male" and "Superman should always be white". It's possible to change an unimportant characteristic without doing it for diversity's sake. I think it'd be cool to have a female James Bond, not because it's "filling quotas", but because it would give an interesting and fresh perspective on a tired character.

 

What if the perfect actor for Superman is black?

 

There's a middle ground that you appear to be failing to see.

 

I'm focusing merely on the underlying reasons behind casting decisions. Keep politics out of it. That's all I'm saying. I am intrigued by the idea of Idris Elba as a Bond but do it because Idris is an awesome character. My "should always be..." comments are because there's 0% chance that diverging from those motifs was a purely artistic decision, IMO.