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[Michael Gary Scott]

Hail Nolan

[redfirebird2008]

Schumacher made the best Batman movie BN (before Nolan).

 

[RobinHood26]

Hail Nolan

 

Hail Nolan

[Noctis]

DC:

 

Batman Begins - 6/10 (Decent enough film that has an overly hectic third act - and Katie Holmes can't act for shit)

The Dark Knight - 9.5/10 (Brilliant, thought-provoking film)

The Dark Knight Rises - 9.5/10 (Epic and spectacular)

Man of Steel - 3.5/10 (Amy Adams and Diane Lane are the lone highlights of an otherwise putrid and dull film)

 

Marvel:

 

IM1 - 9/10 (Great fun)

IM2 - 6/10 (It's got a very dull second act but the first and third acts are enjoyable)

IM3 - 7/10 (Decent, but overrated)

Thor - 8/10 (Loved the chemistry between the actors)

Captain America - 5/10 (Boring and lifeless aside from the first 15 minutes and the last 10 minutes)

The Avengers - 6/10 (BOOM BOOM BOOM ACTION WITTY BOOOM BOOM WITTY ACTION BOOM BOOM ACTION WITTY)

[redfirebird2008]

My ratings in chronological order. Only counting live action theatrical releases of major characters for each brand and not counting anything produced by other studios with Marvel content.

 

DC (Warner Brothers) - 5.6/10 Average

Superman: The Movie - 8/10

Superman II - 8/10

Superman III - 3/10

Superman IV - 2/10

Batman - 8/10

Batman Returns - 8/10

Batman Forever - 4/10

Batman & Robin - 2/10

Catwoman - 1/10

Batman Begins - 8.5/10

Superman Returns - 5/10

The Dark Knight - 8/10

Watchmen - 7/10

Green Lantern - 2/10

The Dark Knight Rises - 8/10

Man of Steel - 7/10

 

Marvel Studios - 7.2/10 Average

Iron Man - 8/10

The Incredible Hulk - 7/10

Iron Man 2 - 5/10

Thor - 7.5/10

Captain America: The First Avenger - 7.5/10

The Avengers - 8/10

Iron Man 3 - 6.5/10

Thor: The Dark World - 7.5/10

Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 8/10

Edited April 10, 2014 by redfirebird2008

[MrPink]

I'll put my honest ratings tonight.

 

Hopefully I'm not excommunicated from the League of Nolanites.

[tawasal]

Hail Nolan

 

 

Hail Nolan

 

Hail Nolan

[tawasal]

Hail Nolan.

 

 

Hail Nolan.

 

Hail Nolan.

[baumer]

 

Way better than Batman and Batman Returns.

[baumer]

DC (Warner Brothers) - 5.6/10 Average

Superman: The Movie - 8.5/10

Superman II - 10/10

Superman III - 6/10

Superman IV - 3/10

Batman - 7/10

Batman Returns - 0/10

Batman Forever - 9/10

Batman & Robin - 2/10

Catwoman - 3/10

Batman Begins - 8.5/10

Superman Returns - 6.5/10

The Dark Knight - 10/10

Watchmen - 9/10

Green Lantern - 6/10

The Dark Knight Rises - 6/10 (2012) 8/10 (2014)

Man of Steel - 7/10

 

Marvel Studios - 7.2/10 Average

Iron Man - 9/10

The Incredible Hulk - 7/10

Iron Man 2 - 5/10

Thor - 6/10

Captain America: The First Avenger - 7/10

The Avengers - 10/10

Iron Man 3 - 5/10

Thor: The Dark World - 4/10

Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 9/10

[Michael Gary Scott]

DC (Warner Brothers) - Superman: The Movie - 4.5/5Superman II - 5/5Superman III - 3/5Superman IV - 2/5Batman - 4.5/5Batman Returns - 4.5/5Batman Forever - 3.5/5Batman & Robin - 5/5Catwoman - 1.5/5Batman Begins - 5/5Superman Returns - 4.5/5The Dark Knight - 5/5Watchmen - 4.5/5Green Lantern - 1/5The Dark Knight Rises - 5/5Man of Steel - 4/5Marvel Studios - Iron Man - 5/5The Incredible Hulk -3.5/5Iron Man 2 - 4.5/5Thor - 4/5Captain America: The First Avenger - 2.5/5The Avengers - 5/5Iron Man 3 - 4.5/5Thor: The Dark World - 3.5/5Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 4.5/5

[Empire]

 

Way better than Batman and Batman Returns.

I do like it, but I wouldn't go that far. That is a pretty good poster though.

[Plain Old Tele]

Oh shit, we're doing lists now? (Hang on, lemme rustle some up)...

[tawasal]

MARVEL

[*]THE AVENGERS (8.9/10) [*]SPIDER-MAN 2 (8.5/10) [*]CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (8.5/10) [*]CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER (8.0/10) [*]SPIDER-MAN (8.0/10) [*]IRON MAN (7.5/10) [*]THOR (7.0/10) [*]SPIDER-MAN 3 (6.5/10) [*]THE INCREDIBLE HULK (6.0/10) [*]IRON MAN 3 (5.5/10) [*]THOR 2 (5.0/10) [*]IRON MAN 2 (4.5/10)

DC

[*]THE DARK KNIGHT (10/10) [*]BATMAN BEGINS (9.5/10) [*]THE DARK KNIGHT RISES (9.5/10) [*]BATMAN 1989 (9.0/10) [*]WATCHMEN (8.5/10) [*]BATMAN RETURNS (8.0/10) [*]MAN OF STEEL (7.0/10) [*]GREEN LANTERN (6.5/10) [*]SUPERMAN RETURNS (5.5/10) [*]BATMAN FOREVER (4.5/10) [*]CATWOMAN (2.5/10) [*]BATMAN & ROBIN (0.0/10)

[baumer]

Oh shit, we're doing lists now? (Hang on, lemme rustle some up)...

 

[#ED]

So DC is 80% Batman.

[Empire]

So DC is 80% Batman.

It's not that high. They also have 6 Superman movies to go along with the 7 Batman ones. Oh, and then there are the other DC movies.

 

So, yeah, DC is just Batman & Superman with a few others thrown in. 

[tawasal]

[BadAtGender]

Marvel, especially at this point, is very focused on the overall franchise product. The films have this very committee driven feel: they need to have the look right (one that doesn't stray too far from the original comics), they have to have a balance between humor and action without tilting too far one way or the other, they have to have some prominent Easter eggs, one or two in-or-post credits scenes, and several things that connect them to other films.

 

As it tends to pan out, Marvel's films are very safe: they are engineered to the point where it's pretty much guaranteed that they won't suck (and indeed, none of them do. Even IM2 does have elements that are enjoyable.) But they also for the most part don't reach too far on an individual basis. Director vision is (at this point) pretty much non-existent: pretty much any mid-level director of talent could be slotted in to take the helm of a film and it would turn out the same. If you have any knowledge of the comics, you have a pretty good idea what any given character will be like if/when they show up in the movies.

 

DC, well, we really only have one film to go on, if we're talking about shared-world series. But looking back at the history of DC movies, we see that there's a bit of a different trend. The production control doesn't seem to be as strong and they're willing to let individual directors play around to achieve the look and feel they'd like for an individual film. This is pretty much the case for all non-MCU Marvel films, too. What it generally means is that there's a greater chance an individual film can suck, but also the chance it brings something really new and surprising to the table. I doubt Christopher Nolan would have been able to give us the brilliance of The Dark Knight if he had been doing it within the MCU. And whatever faults you lay on MoS, the film does have Snyder's distinctive look that's very different from any previous Superman film... or anything out of the MCU.

 

Now, whether that remains true going forward with the DCU films remains to be seen: the last time there was a lot of producer meddling to try and set up a shared-world series like the MCU, we got Green Lantern, so there's a cause for concern. It's entirely possible there shared world just won't work, especially if they're going to let the directors play with their own visions. However, I hope that's the route they do go: Marvel films are fun, but I do enjoy seeing someone try something new with the characters.

 

From the history of the two comics companies, these two approaches actually make a lot of sense. Marvel, from the 1960s on, was created as a shared world, with all the characters inhabiting the same timeline and able to affect each-other. This was a big change from before, where characters could crossover, but tended to inhabit their own reality.

 

DC... started many attempts to copy that. However, the DCU wasn't constructed as a whole: it was assembled piecemeal from not only individual comics about Batman and Superman and such, but also from the characters of other companies that DC acquired over time, such as the SHAZAM Captain Marvel. It's like... at a certain point there are things that are difficult to reconcile because different characters have different worldbuilding considerations.

 

(For an excellent article about this, see Chris Sim's discussion on "The Problem": http://comicsalliance.com/dc-comics-marvel-golden-age-silver-age-comics-history/)

 

Going forward, Marvel is likely to have an overall better product. They're predisposed to make sure nothing bad comes out. DC's probably going to vary wildly in quality. But they should have a few that really shine because of it.

 

I'm still quite excited to see the JLA on film. Even if it's flawed.

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