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The success of Wonder Woman is such a SLAP in Marvel's face.  
 


You mean Ike Permulter?

Since Marvel Studio became independent from Marvel Ent. Kevin Feige have been making interesting choices.
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6 minutes ago, La Binoche said:

The success of Wonder Woman is such a SLAP in Marvel's face. 

 

Marvel's output is sort of like those inescapable pop songs that are overplayed on Top 40 radio. Sure they're made with skill by people who clearly know what they're doing, but that can't disguise the stench of their safe, formulaic, factory-made assembly. 

 

 

 

There is a thread for that kind of Marvel V DC stuff, you know.

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6 minutes ago, La Binoche said:

The success of Wonder Woman is such a SLAP in Marvel's face. 

 

Marvel's output is sort of like those inescapable pop songs that are overplayed on Top 40 radio. Sure they're made with skill by people who clearly know what they're doing, but that can't disguise the stench of their safe, formulaic, factory-made assembly. 

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, La Binoche said:

The success of Wonder Woman is such a SLAP in Marvel's face. 

 

Marvel is sort of like a pop song that's overplayed on Top 40 radio. Sure it's made with skill by people who know what they're doing, but that can't disguise the stench of its formulaic, factory-made assembly. 

 

 

 

I'm sure DC would still switch places with Marvel.

 

A lot of people don't get this but Marvel knows exactly what their movies are. They know they're not game changers. They know they're not serious, like LOGAN, or potential Oscar material. They simply understand that they've created their own brand of movies that I've maintained are almost an entirely different medium: they're comic books on screen. You go watch the next chapter in the Marvel saga like you would purchase the next issue of your Marvel comics.

 

This whole cinematic universe wouldn't be what it is if the movies didn't follow a formula to a degree. There would be too much tonal variance to consider it a shared universe.

 

I, for one, love these movies and I judge them for what they are. If you go in to these movies expecting a unique cinematic experience every time, well Yeah, you're probably going to be disappointed. Of course there are baseline expectations for quality and SOMETHING fresh, but all in all the draw of these movies, at least for me, is to see what happens next in the over arching story.

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Read a great critic of BVS on Forbes. Snyder fans might actually agree with it. It's criticizes DCEU, but not in the way you might think. Not because it's darker/grimmer than MCU, but because it didn't go the full distance - make it fully dark (like Injustice, The Dark Knight Returns), no half measures. Don't try to emulate MCU while at the same time trying to be different, but cut off from it all together.

 

(Article is old. written in April 2016 right after BVS released.)

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'Batman V. Superman' Fails Because It Was Too Scared To Go Full 'Injustice'

 

After viewing, it’s very clear that if they really did want to set up this Batman vs. Superman conflict properly, they should have done it actually using the full text of the source material they were pulling bits and pieces from. You will now hear many people say that Snyder should have simply remade The Dark Knight Returns in its entirety, and that would have been great, as the animosity between Batman and Superman there has real weight to it, and this was always more of a story about Batman anyway.

 

But for my taste? I think its Injustice, the DC video game, that should have been adapted as the basis for this new DCCU.

Injustice started as a fighting game made by the creators of Mortal Kombat. To create a premise for why superheroes would start fighting each other after being longtime team members, the studio worked with DC to craft a storyline to explain it.

What happened then was the idea spawned an Injusticeprequel comic series that ended up being one of the best things DC has produced in years.

 

The central conflict is based around the Joker, who not only tricks Superman into killing Lois Lane and his unborn child (he gasses him with fear toxin to make him think he’s fighting Doomsday), but follows that up by nuking Metropolis itself.

What does Superman do? He puts his fist straight through Joker’s chest, killing him outright.

 

What follows is an alt-future Justice League story of epic proportions. Superman essentially assumes control of the entire world, which can no longer be trusted to govern itself. He rallies heroes to his side like Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and The Flash, while it falls to Batman to become the insurgent force resisting his rule. On his side are allies like Green Arrow, Black Canary and even villains like Harley Quinn and Catwoman. Some heroes are conflicted and switch teams. The Flash realizes he’s on the wrong side too late. Damian Wayne, the current Robin, defects to Superman’s side, and ends up inadvertently killing Nightwing.

 

There are tons of great moments throughout this series, which is plenty dark (the horrifying intro that sets Superman off, the death of major characters like Green Lantern and Green Arrow), but also there’s room for humor too (Super Twitter, Arrow/Harley). It would have to be slimmed down to work as a series of films, but it could have worked. Really well.

 

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It is an amazing series, and one that would have been an unexpected direction for Snyder’s universe to take, albeit a somewhat logical one, if you think it through. It starts with the premise of a bad-guy Superman, which would have worked after the events of Man of Steel, had he gone through with the Joker kills Lois/Metropolis storyline afterward (that would have been a hell of a way to introduce Leto’s Joker, as well).

The storyline allows the full run of DC’s heroes and villains to be involved, and each of them have their own parts to play in the grand conflict, which could easily have been spun into multiple movies. It gives Batman and Superman and more than legitimate reason to square off, and creates a more interesting villain than traditional “Lex Luthor/Zod/Joker wants to take over the world/Metropolis/Gotham” plotlines by making a mad Superman himself the big bad. After Man of Steel, that narrative was already taking shape, yet it’s aborted during Batman V. Superman.

 

What’s weird about Batman V. Superman is that we actually get a glimpse of this potential film in what is unquestionably the most bizarre segment of the movie. In it, we see what seems to be an insurgent Batman trying to acquire Kryptonite to defeat Superman in a post-apocalypse where the Man of Steel has his own S-branded stormtroopers, flying alien soldiers and the propensity to roast humans alive with his heat vision without a second thought. Superman says he holds Batman responsible for “her” death (presumably Lois), though the exact circumstances of that are not made clear.

 

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But adapting Injustice as a whole? That would have been a master stroke. If people are complaining about Snyder’s Superman being too cruel and heartless and kill-happy? Fine, go all the way with it. Make him the bad guy, kill Lois, kill Metropolis, create Batman the insurgent and introduce the rest of the Justice League by making them take sides and fight from the start. Don’t follow the Marvel model whose success you simply won’t emulate with your ultra-dark universe. If you want dark, go all the way. No half-measures. This film needed to be Dark Knight Returns. It needed to be Injustice. But simply as “Batman V. Superman,” it’s a miserable failure of wasted potential, and it will be lucky if it doesn’t sink the entire DCCU before it even gets started.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/03/25/batman-v-superman-fails-because-it-was-too-scared-to-go-full-injustice/#323b9631430a

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On 16/07/2017 at 11:05 PM, La Binoche said:

The success of Wonder Woman is such a SLAP in Marvel's face. 

 

Marvel's output is sort of like those inescapable pop songs that are overplayed on Top 40 radio. Sure they're made with skill by people who clearly know what they're doing, but that can't disguise the stench of their safe, formulaic, factory-made assembly. 

 

 

You do know that Wonder Woman is the most Marvel-like of the DCEU movies so far by a pretty long shot, right?

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The main problem with the past DCEU films such as BVS wasn't tone or that people didn't understand it but rather bad writing.

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1 hour ago, a2knet said:

Read a great critic of BVS on Forbes. Snyder fans might actually agree with it. It's criticizes DCEU, but not in the way you might think. Not because it's darker/grimmer than MCU, but because it didn't go the full distance - make it fully dark (like Injustice, The Dark Knight Returns), no half measures. Don't try to emulate MCU while at the same time trying to be different, but cut off from it all together.

 

(Article is old. written in April 2016 right after BVS released.)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/03/25/batman-v-superman-fails-because-it-was-too-scared-to-go-full-injustice/#323b9631430a

As a Supes fan, I would still hate it for the same reason.   Again putting Superman in a bad light so Batman can be the cool guy.   Superman is the "bad guy" in that story.   I like how it's done in Civil War much better...where I can see both sides had a point.   Interesting that Marvel went away from the comic version where Iron Man was the "bad guy".

 

And again making two characters fight because they are popular instead of because it make sense.   It will never make any sense for Superman and Batman to fight.

 

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2 minutes ago, Harpospoke said:

As a Supes fan, I would still hate it for the same reason.   Again putting Superman in a bad light so Batman can be the cool guy.   Superman is the "bad guy" in that story.   I like how it's done in Civil War much better...where I can see both sides had a point.   Interesting that Marvel went away from the comic version where Iron Man was the "bad guy".

 

And again making two characters fight because they are popular instead of because it make sense.   It will never make any sense for Superman and Batman to fight.

 

I think what the article is trying to say is that Superman in BVS and MOS, was the good guy (filmmaker's perspective) responsible for many deaths/doing bad things (audience perspective) : so two perspective's are out of sync. That's what bothered people. But if something has made him villainous, then the bad guy (filmmaker's perspective) is responsible for those deaths and doing bad stuff (audience perspective) :now there is no dichotomy between audience and filmmaker. Real/good/fan-version of Superman at least is kept alive for the future. Right now the problem is not only that Sup is doing bad stuff, but that from the filmmaker's perspective he is not even bad! We are supposed to take him as the good guy.

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4 hours ago, a2knet said:

Read a great critic of BVS on Forbes. Snyder fans might actually agree with it. It's criticizes DCEU, but not in the way you might think. Not because it's darker/grimmer than MCU, but because it didn't go the full distance - make it fully dark (like Injustice, The Dark Knight Returns), no half measures. Don't try to emulate MCU while at the same time trying to be different, but cut off from it all together.

 

(Article is old. written in April 2016 right after BVS released.)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/03/25/batman-v-superman-fails-because-it-was-too-scared-to-go-full-injustice/#323b9631430a

And a full scale Injustice film would probably haved bombed badly at the box office.

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