Fanboy Wars Thread: Personal Attacks not allowed | With Digital Fur Technology

[IronJimbo]

Just now, AJG said:

Fanboys continue to be a cancer

 

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/mission-impossible-director-loses-interest-in-helming-a-star-wars-or-superhero-movie-thanks-to-toxic-fans-a161836

Would Jim not do something he wanted to do because he was afraid of the fans?

 

Hell no. This director will never be a Jim.

[AJG]

2 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

Would Jim not do something he wanted to do because he was afraid of the fans?

 

Hell no. This director will never be a Jim.

 

Are you implying that Jim would do something unoriginal?

[IronJimbo]

7 minutes ago, AJG said:

 

Are you implying that Jim would do something unoriginal?

He wanted to do Spiderman and Jurassic Park (based on book) but got shafted.

 

They stole shit from his Spiderman script aswell.

 

 

[LaughingEvans]

51 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

He wanted to do Spiderman and Jurassic Park (based on book) but got shafted.

 

They stole shit from his Spiderman script aswell.

 

 

I always thought that was Fincher. And before him, Michael Jackson. 

[StevenG]

On 7/2/2018 at 3:17 AM, AndyK said:

[StevenG]

17 hours ago, Quake said:

And people mock JL and WW. This looks like a videogame 😂

To be fair, people have mocked BP plenty for its awful CGI too. I don't know WTF happened, but Wonder Woman, Black Panther, and Justice League have some of the worst CGI work I have ever seen on a major Hollywood blockbuster. Hopefully, the sequels to WW and BP will correct that.

Edited July 3, 2018 by StevenG

[The Futurist]

Black Panther will get a nomination for best VFX.

Deal.

With.

It.

 

 

[StevenG]

8 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

Black Panther will get a nomination for best VFX.

Deal.

With.

It.

 

 

Just like Jlaw got a Best Actress nomination for mother! and Passengers got a nod for best script? LOL

How did YOU deal with that?

 

 

 

Edited July 3, 2018 by StevenG

[manny1234]

Awful CGI was my only issue with BP I Downgraded from A+ to an A.

[The Futurist]

9 minutes ago, StevenG said:

Just like Jlaw got a Best Actress nomination for mother! and Passengers got a nod for best script? LOL

How did YOU deal with that?

 

 

 

See you in January 2019.

[StevenG]

31 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

See you in January 2019.

I will soo enjoy reminding you of this once BP does not get the VFX nod (for its awful sub-video game-level CGI).

 

[Rebeccas]

BP will get a host of other Oscar noms but the VFX branch does have pretty discerning taste and that doesn't often match up with what they think is the best movie overall. Infinity War will get the nomination over BP. Then you have Ad Astra, First Man, possibly Ready Player One and Aquaman (depending on how that ends up looking...). The VFX winner usually reflects the strongest movie or at least closest to Best Picture movie so that will probably go to Ad Astra or First Man.

[Hades]

On 7/2/2018 at 8:17 AM, AndyK said:

Surely this can't be ILM can it??. I feel ILM  are just wasted on Marvel and Star Wars films...They seem to be getting bored and lazy....The lack of post production time is not helping.

[Jessie]

7 minutes ago, Hades said:

Surely this can't be ILM can it??. I feel ILM  are just wasted on Marvel and Star Wars films...They seem to be getting bored and lazy....The lack of post production time is not helping.

The average movie goer will not notice or care about lackluster CGI

[The Futurist]

49 minutes ago, Hades said:

Surely this can't be ILM can it??. I feel ILM  are just wasted on Marvel and Star Wars films...They seem to be getting bored and lazy....The lack of post production time is not helping.

I won't discuss CGI with anybody, I just can offer facts.

 

MCU movies are notorious for having at least 4-6 vfx houses that do the big set pieces and other houses that can do smaller scenes, shots, compositing etcthe average MCU movie has around 10 VFX houses working on their movies with very different work load and type of shots to accomplish.

I think this MO is to avoid "the lack of production time issue" since the work load is heavily divided between houses.

That being said, as Victoria Alonso said, in the VFX world, there is ALWAYS not enough time and every vfx house or artist work until the eleventh hour on every shot of every movie.

I also think that every VFX house has their A, B,C team and their A,B,C Animator, compositing, animation, lighting, textures, guy etc

The thing is modern movies have so much CGI that you won't have a virtosuo CGI artist for each scene/shot.

The guy who animated Thanos and his  subtle face muscle movement is a goddam Da Vinci if you ask me, giving a soul to mathematics, polygons and 0 & 1 sequences require almost too many qualities.

 

Also, as I said in another thread, post-production in heavy CGI movies doesn't exist anymore, at least not in the form we once knew.

Black Panther was already rendered by VFX houses before live action even started, same for the Wakanda world  and all the other assets but after that you have the animation, the compositing,  rotoscoping, lighting, shaders etc etc etc

 

Funnily enough, the Black Panther VFX supervisor gave one of the most precise details on how the VFX work load was divided between houses :

 

• capital T – 41 shots – Compositing, simple blue screen, split comps, clean up.
• Double Negative – 78 shots – 3rd act Vibranium Mine fight.  
• Exceptional Minds – 38 – Compositing, simple blue screen, split comps, clean up.
• Ghost – 41 shots – 3rd act interior shots as Ross flies RTF hologram.
• ILM – 403 shots – Shots throughout the film focusing heavily on the enviroments of Wakanda and the Golden City.
• Luma – 232 shots – The casino fight, and car chase that follows, as well as the CIA blacksite.
• Mammal – 578 shots – Compositing, simple blue screen, split comps, clean up, as well as all temp comps and color for the few non VFX shots.
• Method – 407 shots – Primarily the 3rd act on top of Mount Beshanga, they also did some of the work in Shuri’s lab.
• RiseFX – 180 shots – Built and designed Jabariland. They also helped out in Shuri’s lab.
• Scanline – 385 shots – The big focus here was the waterfall environment for the two sequences that take place here. They also did the work at the British museum and abandoned airfield in Korea.
• Storm – 8 shots – The prologue.
• Trixter – 205 – The Nigeria extraction as well as the Oakland apartment.

 

CGI food for thought.

 

Edited July 3, 2018 by The Futurist

[Rebeccas]

The SW movies look pretty good but then again, there's very little creativity in those effects anymore it's literally just the same space ships we've seen for 40 years with like an extra antennae somewhere.

[StevenG]

10 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

I won't discuss CGI with anybody, I just can offer facts....(SNIP)

None of that wall of text negates the FACT that the CGI in BP was atrocious. 

There's your food for reality.

Edited July 3, 2018 by StevenG

[StevenG]

6 minutes ago, Rebeccas said:

The SW movies look pretty good but then again, there's very little creativity in those effects anymore it's literally just the same space ships we've seen for 40 years with like an extra antennae somewhere.

True. Whether its Wonder Woman, BP, JL or IW, its always the same ole third act greenscreen fight with lots of fire, explosions, things zooming/flying by, energy beams, and badly rendered bodies hitting each other. Its like they run out of budget at that point or something...

Edited July 3, 2018 by StevenG

[manny1234]

Man I am really happy the Disney/Fox deal got approved by DOJ, then shareholders will hopefully vote yes and we get the unedited SW trilogy and a united MCU.

[Rebeccas]

Space movies just seem to have an easier time with CGI cause gravity isn't really an issue. Both Guardians movies are easily the best looking Marvel films to date. With SW, they're just not really expanding much beyond TIE fighters/Death Stars/X-Wing stuff so it's literally just the same designs from 1977 being recycled.