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Suicide Squad actually made big $$$$$ so...

Something I'd personally put largely on its fantastic marketing campaign. The fact that it had one hell of a 2nd weekend drop kinda supports that idea, (although I will admit the legs stablised a lot better than BvS).

 

And it's not like DC hasn't sexualized Harley Quinn before. Her Suicide Squad costume was far less exploitative than the mess she wears in the Arkham games (which are also insanely popular so you can see a pattern here).

Just because some other media in the wide wide world of comics did it/did it worse doesn't suddenly make it fine.

 

Besides which, I don't necessarily have an issue with sexualising a character, but there is a limit. Half of Harley's scenes in Suicide Squad (especially towards the beginning) felt like softcore porn. Plus, and this is the real issue here, I thought her actual characterisation, behind the 'lol so crazy' surface, was flat as sin and largely revolved around being the Joker's beau.

 

I liked some of the stuff SS had to say about Harley Quinn as a character and act, and the way people perceive sexual and morally ambiguous women but there was too much going on in the film for any idea to come across clearly.

Huh, I'd genuinely like to hear your thoughts on that, because I didn't catch anything of the sort (or at least anything it felt like the film was actually deliberately trying to say.)

 

On the contrary, one of my bigger sticking points of the movie was their effective Twilight-isation of the Joker/Harley relationship, effectively reducing interesting commentary on both Joker and Harley. Seriously, if I didn't already know from the comics/animated series that Joker was abusive, I would've had one hell of a hard time finding out from the movie.

 

It is to be noted that WOMEN were one of the major reasons the movie and merchandise caught on in such a big way. And from my personal experience, I know that the character spoke in one way or the other to a lot of people (Robbie's great performance did do a lot to help with that though).

 

That may be true (even if I've seen plenty who feel the opposite), but exactly how many of those people have you seen claim Ayer's specific direction was what they liked about the character? As opposed to, you know, Margot's performance/the writing/seeing a big screen Harley Quinn/the actual novelty of a major female protagonist in a superhero movie. How many women said 'Well, Harley wasn't doing anything for me to begin with, but when Ayer spent a solid minute on that ass shot, that was when I really felt for her as a character.' You can't even claim 'Well, her open sexuality is inspiring/empowering' because it's clear she's supposed to be psychologically damaged.

 

Anyways, GCS has a woman writer and she will have more time to craft her script than the two months Ayer slapped together the SS script so I hope/guess things will be handled in a more nuanced manner than in SS. And Margot Robbie did say she would be wearing a different costume in this movie, so let's see if WB/DC commits to that.

Yes, and I'm sure Batman v Superman will do a great job of exploring the fallout of Metropolis destruction/Superman killing Zod. I do not have faith in DC when it comes to these things.

 

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This caught my eye:

 

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Ayer will direct and produce the project with Robbie reprising her role as Harley Quinn, the part-time girlfriend of the Joker who is currently DC's most popular female character.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gotham-city-sirens-movie-david-ayer-margot-robbie-reteam-all-female-dc-villains-project-

 

Ouch for Wonder Woman.

Not a good time to be Wonder Woman I guess.   The PC police got her too:

 

U.N. Drops Wonder Woman as an Ambassador

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/world/un-wonder-woman-campaign.html?_r=0

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1 hour ago, Harpospoke said:

This caught my eye:

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gotham-city-sirens-movie-david-ayer-margot-robbie-reteam-all-female-dc-villains-project-

 

Ouch for Wonder Woman.

Not a good time to be Wonder Woman I guess.   The PC police got her too:

 

U.N. Drops Wonder Woman as an Ambassador

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/world/un-wonder-woman-campaign.html?_r=0

 

Nopes it's much ado about nothing. Her tenure was already ending this Friday, all fictional characters have temporary tenures at the UN, including Tinker Bell and Angry Birds. And the official statement states as much. I don't think the protests have anything to do with it. The appointment as "honorary ambassador"  was a smart marketing tactic by DC to capitalize on her 75th anniversary, just like Marvel wanting to put a Captain America statue in Brooklyn during his 75th anniversary.

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14 hours ago, Napoleon said:

The MCU have not been planned that carefully, though, as there are many plot holes and inconsistencies between movies.

It has been though. Did a few things evolve as it unfolded, an item or three then not seem to totally synch up, sure. That doesn't negate the overarching truth of the cartoon.

Marvel's film saga is put together and DC's(Warners) looks a hot mess in a comparison situation. 

 

I love the comic films, I see both, root for both but Marvel is head and shoulders above at this time. That's just an objective take by anyone who doesn't have a one company bias.

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9 hours ago, rukaio101 said:

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God damn it, DC! How can you simultaneously have such good ideas and yet be so freaking terrible at implementing them?! Do you only have the same two directors on speed dial or something? Who looked at David Ayer's constant objectification/forced fanservice of Harley in Suicide Squad and thought 'Yeah! This is a tasteful choice to direct the first all-female superhero team movie!' Hell, who looked at Suicide Squad period and thought 'Yeah, let's give this guy another movie!'

 

Seriously, DC, we're getting to the point where the Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe is looking infinitely more appealing to me than your stuff...

While I certainly don't like Suicide Squad, or even particularly David Ayer, I don't think all of the choices in the movie come from him. I think he played a huge part in turning Suicide Squad into the abhorrent mess that it was, but it was also Warner Bros tampering with the editing after a BvS-induced panic.

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12 hours ago, Spidey Freak said:

 

Nopes it's much ado about nothing. Her tenure was already ending this Friday, all fictional characters have temporary tenures at the UN, including Tinker Bell and Angry Birds. And the official statement states as much. I don't think the protests have anything to do with it. The appointment as "honorary ambassador"  was a smart marketing tactic by DC to capitalize on her 75th anniversary, just like Marvel wanting to put a Captain America statue in Brooklyn during his 75th anniversary.

 

It's more significant that there was a protest.  That's the public...who buy tickets.   What the UN says will always be as political as possible.   They didn't say anything about Dec 16th until it was decided WW would be dropped.    Here is what was said in Oct:

 

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At the time, officials of both the UN and DC Comics — which owns the rights to the character of Wonder Woman — said the campaign would continue well into 2017. "As long as there's momentum in the campaign we'll move forward," Maher Nasser, the U.N. official who essentially brokered the collaboration between the United Nations and DC Comics, told NPR in late October. "They have committed to a year."

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/12/13/504968772/wonder-womans-u-n-job-comes-to-an-end

 

So I guess the "momentum" didn't happen.  

 

  UN doesn't buy movie tickets as much as the people who signed the petition.   When you've got the left against you that can be hard to deal with in the media.   When entities like NPR are against you, the PR battle gets tough.

 

And if WW is less popular than Harley Quinn, that doesn't give me confidence in huge box office.

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20 hours ago, elcaballero said:

Overwatch would be awesome, but I really want to see something like the Heart of the Swarm opening:

It will never happen though...:sadben:

 

I don't really know shit about Starcraft but it looks like it could make for some pretty cool movies.  But then again, video game movies track record...

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23 hours ago, Lordmandeep said:

Starcraft is a great story for a RTS game 

 

agreed, though rts campaign rely on good gameplay, an increasing number of tools, then cool scenarios.

 

JIMBONATION:

 

Avatar can't be beat at this point, SW8 won't come close, Marvel has oversaturated itself. Unless some surprise epic blockbuster comes out, no way Avatar will be beaten.

 

What can make more than $2.78b ww?

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