Merkel Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 The novel might share some tropes with the YA genre, but the quality of the writing and the depth of the themes is on a whole another level, Plus, although many of us did read the book in our early teens, that's surely not the main target audience, nor is the book something you'd find you've grown beyond when eventually you re-read the book when you are well into your thirties. So it's far from being a YA novel. But it does have a YA protagonist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebeccas Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) Dune absolutely fits the mold of a YA novel. I mean if this was written by a woman about a 15 year old girl, there'd be absolutely no question people would stick it in the YA genre. Edited September 11, 2020 by Rebeccas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkel Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 It is, at most, a coming-of-age novel. Its themes go well beyond the YA tropes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, dudalb said: People think the Dune novels are a YA series???? I am shocked so many people are unaware that the Dune novels..at least the first three...are generally considered among the best Sci Fi novels ever written,truly classic, comparabel to LOTR. I admit, the cultural illitereacy of people around here deeply distrubs me. I don't expect everybody to have read the books, but not even being awaer of them. I am not sure of the opposition your are trying to make, YA or not has nothing to do with being good or not, it just mean teens and young adult in a significant number are attracted to the material, like Hobbit, LOTR or Harry Potter. There is 0 judgment on value attached to that term a bit like calling something SCI-FI or epic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, Merkel said: but the quality of the writing and the depth of the themes is on a whole another level, Not sure what does that have to do with YA, Hobbit, Harry Potter are great writing and the most popular YA novels of all time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menor the Destroyer Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Barnack said: I am not sure of the opposition your are trying to make, YA or not has nothing to do with being good or not, it just mean teens and young adult in a significant number are attracted to the material, like Hobbit, LOTR or Harry Potter. There is 0 judgment on value attached to that term a bit like calling something SCI-FI or epic. Yeah, I think your point is definitely valid. A lot of people here are getting offended because they think YA = Hunger Games knockoff. Edited September 11, 2020 by Menor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkel Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 At least as I see it (and I admit I might be grossly mistaken), a YA novel is specifically aimed at teenagers (although it might interest older demographics). It's a different thing when a book happens to be quite popular with an younger demographic, although they weren't written with that public as its main target. Catcher in the Rye is of course very popular with teenagers, but I myself would not consider it to be a YA novel. But like I said, we're probably discussing semantics and I'm probably wrong in my assessments, But if I had to put Dune in a book category, YA would be far from being the first that came to my mind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menor the Destroyer Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, Merkel said: At least as I see it (and I admit I might be grossly mistaken), a YA novel is specifically aimed at teenagers (although it might interest older demographics). It's a different thing when a book happens to be quite popular with an younger demographic, although they weren't written with that public as its main target. Catcher in the Rye is of course very popular with teenagers, but I myself would not consider it to be a YA novel. But like I said, we're probably discussing semantics and I'm probably wrong in my assessments, But if I had to put Dune in a book category, YA would be far from being the first that came to my mind I think both of your definitions are valid. YA is basically a marketing label so it's not like there's any really agreed-upon classification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Merkel said: At least as I see it (and I admit I might be grossly mistaken), a YA novel is specifically aimed at teenagers (although it might interest older demographics). That would be a good (and better) way to define it as well, but it is harder to know a writer target audience intend versus looking at the result how much it is popular with teens, in some case like Tolkien he said explicitly that he wrote The Hobbits for is kids, making it explicitly YA. I am not sure you can be grossly mistaken, it is not scientific at all, same goes for Horrors or not (2001 a space odyssey play has an horror movie to some people) The American Library Association has classed Dune has Young Adult, NPR did, most people here that talk about it and I read it before the movie project was announced I would venture to guess read it before turning 20, but those are fuzzy and like for Lord of The Rings, YA adjacent, it does not score 100 on the scale like a Hobbits, Star Wars Phantom Menace, Harry Potter or Hunger Games, but it is not close to 0 either. Edited September 11, 2020 by Barnack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementeleus Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) tbh I think a lot of kids would find Dune boring. Yes, sure, many of us did discover it as teens, but it’s not pitched at that audience. As a complete aside, as an example of YA being essentially a marketing tool, there were “juvenile novels” back in the 50s and 60s. Juvenile novels... like Starship Troopers. Edited September 11, 2020 by Plain Old Tele 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Plain Old Tele said: but it’s not pitched at that audience. From video games and toys: It is not from a lack of trying if that is true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcaballero Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 All the ads look good, but I just don't know if it's money well spent at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementeleus Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 40 minutes ago, Barnack said: From video games and toys: It is not from a lack of trying if that is true. That’s from the movie, during the 80s heyday of movie merchandise and marketing. It doesn’t really have much of anything to do with the book (especially when it was published). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Barnack said: From video games and toys: It is not from a lack of trying if that is true. I mean even stuff like Terminator, Aliens and Robocop got toys and merchandise made out of them in those days, that doesn't mean those films were aimed at young audiences. Edited September 11, 2020 by cookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Quote Common themes related to YA include friendship, first love, relationships, and identity.[4] Stories that focus on the specific challenges of youth are sometimes referred to as problem novels or coming-of-age novels.[5] out of the young adult fiction wiki entry Aimed at / written for YA is something else, those too are usually YA fiction. Maybe that use is more on the forefront of the awareness, see the ... less nice, or ~ over-the-top novels/movies based on those? As said, to me the story details of Dune are far too complex, wide spread to feel like its a typical, only, or fully ‘young adult’ novel, but I do see why others see it as such, especially if checking it for details like CoA, first love, and in the case of Dune (in especial part one) identity matches too, I feel the identity part was a big focus in Lynch’s filmed version as well. Why I did not sort it into the YA section of my library is: Paul does not behave ‘teenager-like’, his reactions to the outside, how others can see him, is never immature, he reacts IMHO very mature, very controlled. What is also a bit atypical for a lot of YA’s, is the frequently shifting perspectives, in especial as the perspectives include also the adult characters. That it got analyzed for its reading and interest levels means at least a lot of teachers, or educational based people consider it as YA material (interest level grade 9-12) - in a way. I guess it got mentioned by some of them to their pupils in such a way - people tend to remember the first intro impressions like that. Also it gets still used ad reading material including e.g. comprehensive understanding the material tests. I’ve seen it, as told, in libraries sorted in into both general areas, the adult parts of Sci-Fi, and in the YA area, so I see no need to ‘fight’ over if it this or that, but I see seldom a reason to ‘fight’ over culture/Zeitgeist based POVs. How something is seen is fluent and depends on the region/country/language translated to too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Merkel said: It is, at most, a coming-of-age novel. Its themes go well beyond the YA tropes regardless of the novel. The trailer makes it out to be a YA movie. Same as maze runner, hunger games etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Poppins Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 5 hours ago, cookie said: I mean even stuff like Terminator, Aliens and Robocop got toys and merchandise made out of them in those days, that doesn't mean those films were aimed at young audiences. Yeah i remember having Starship Trooper toys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 The OG teaser that was with Tenet (in French) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Now that Wonder Woman is at Christmas this will inevitably be delayed or out on HBO max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grim22 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 So when does this get moved to literally anywhere else? No way WB cut its legs with Wonder Woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...