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[robertman2]

4 minutes ago, Orestes said:

I would say Casino Royale.

I haven't seen it yet. I need to watch it at some point

 

6 minutes ago, Grand Moff Tele said:

And yet, TREK '09 went against what the diehards wanted (which was basically that no one could ever replace the original cast).

Trek 09 didn't have a director who called anyone who didn't like the trailers sexist/racist/bigoted etc

[Dementeleus]

9 minutes ago, grim22 said:

 

Not necessarily. Taking an example from comics, 

 

Comics aren't movies. There have been plenty of remakes/reboots that didn't completely acknowledge the original (aside from little homages and stuff), and they didn't get anywhere near the response GB16 got. More to the point, all this crap was dumped on it well before anyone saw anything from the movie. 

 

4 minutes ago, robertman2 said:

I haven't seen it yet. I need to watch it at some point

 

Trek 09 didn't have a director who called anyone who didn't like the trailers sexist/racist/bigoted etc

 

This was after a year and a half of crap being slung at him and his actresses, it's hardly equivalent. 

 

The refusal by general fandom to accept any responsibility or accountability about any of his is not only astonishing, it speaks volumes. 

[robertman2]

Also, watch as Ocean's Eight gets nowhere near the amount of blacklash Ghostbusters 2016 did. Outside of a few alt right nuts, of course.

Someone quote me on this once the first trailer drops and it's well received. 

[Poseidon]

This discussion shows exactly what goes wrong everywhere.

You don't like the new approch? Well, ignore it that's fine. But that's not what happend with Ghostbusters. It was a victim of active hating. On a scale, I've never witnessed before. 
There were guys making fun of Twilight, of Harry Potter of whatever you like yeah, but what happend with Ghostbusters was a witchhunt by people doing nothing else but hating 24/7 on the internet. And that's disturbingly concerning and exactly what happens in real life, too. 

In the end it wasn't about the movie anymore. In the end it wasn't about Trump anymore. I know, no politics. But we live in a world, that used to come together to love something. Now it's turning into a world that gathers to spread hate and that's what gets to people. You feel it everywhere. It's like a fucking Dementor that sucks the happiness out of our society.

[Napoleon]

2 minutes ago, Poseidon said:

This discussion shows exactly what goes wrong everywhere.

You don't like the new approch? Well, ignore it that's fine. But that's not what happend with Ghostbusters. It was a victim of active hating. On a scale, I've never witnessed before. 
There were guys making fun of Twilight, of Harry Potter of whatever you like yeah, but what happend with Ghostbusters was a witchhunt by people doing nothing else but hating 24/7 on the internet. And that's disturbingly concerning and exactly what happens in real life, too. 

In the end it wasn't about the movie anymore. In the end it wasn't about Trump anymore. I know, no politics. But we live in a world, that used to come together to love something. Now it's turning into a world that gathers to spread hate and that's what gets to people. You feel it everywhere. It's like a fucking Dementor that sucks the happiness out of our society.

That's exactly what pisses me off and makes me wanna quit the internet someday 

[robertman2]

2 minutes ago, Grand Moff Tele said:

 

Comics aren't movies. There have been plenty of remakes/reboots that didn't completely acknowledge the original (aside from little homages and stuff), and they didn't get anywhere near the response GB16 got. More to the point, all this crap was dumped on it well before anyone saw anything from the movie. 

 

 

This was after a year and a half of crap being slung at him and his actresses, it's hardly equivalent. 

 

The refusal by general fandom to accept any responsibility or accountability about any of his is not only astonishing, it speaks volumes. 

Most of the backlash from people who aren't in the alt right started after that godawful trailer dropped. He went out of his way to start shitting on EVERYONE who didn't like the trailer, instead of addressing the fan's complaints and trying to reassure people that he cares about the property.

[Arlborn]

9 minutes ago, robertman2 said:

I haven't seen it yet. I need to watch it at some point

 

Trek 09 didn't have a director who called anyone who didn't like the trailers sexist/racist/bigoted etc

COME ON, you seem, like a nice enough guy. Sure you can put yourself in their shoes and wonder how you would react to months and months of relentless personal attacks only because you dare to not have a dick and/or cast people without dicks?

[The Futurist]

The girl power thing in Ghostbusters '16 was a bit annoying & unnecessary.

 

Sigourney Weaver in the first films was  a great female character so I don't know where they were coming from.

[Orestes]

I didn't particularly like any of the GB trailers, and I never felt that the director was "shitting" on me. If his callout of the racist and misogynist elements that were going bananas made your ears burn, it says more about you than him.

[Jason]

I don't have much to add to the Ghostbusters analysis that hasn't been said better by anyone else already. But there is one thing I noticed that's a bit unusual - only about 7% of its domestic take was from Canada. Every other film I've looked at this year except Barbershop: The Next Cut has been within a very consistent 8%-10% range. Any insight? I don't think it's a comedy thing, aside from Barbershop all of them fell within that same 8%-10% range.

[Dementeleus]

5 minutes ago, robertman2 said:

 the fan's complaints and trying to reassure people that he cares about the property.

 

Screw fans and their complaints.  And I say that as someone who didn't like any of the marketing for the movie. 

[cannastop]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

I don't have much to add to the Ghostbusters analysis that hasn't been said better by anyone else already. But there is one thing I noticed that's a bit unusual - only about 7% of its domestic take was from Canada. Every other film I've looked at this year except Barbershop: The Next Cut has been within a very consistent 8%-10% range. Any insight? I don't think it's a comedy thing, aside from Barbershop all of them fell within that same 8%-10% range.

Wait, where did you get that data?

[Jason]

6 minutes ago, cannastop said:

Wait, where did you get that data?

 

http://playbackonline.ca/ You can get a weekly top 10 (just search for top 10 films) that lists the total cume as well. I just divide that by the domestic total on the same date to get the percentage from Canada.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Jason

[robertman2]

2 minutes ago, Arlborn said:

COME ON, you seem, like a nice enough guy. Sure you can put yourself in their shoes and wonder how you would react to months and months of relentless personal attacks only because you dare to not have a dick and/or cast people without dicks?

I do feel awful for them, ESPECIALLY Leslie Jones, but I'm still a tad bit annoyed with Feig with lumping the people who had legitimate complaints with the trailer in with the shitbags who just hated the fact there was women in it. Oh well.

[Porthos]

*wanders in to see any early Thanksgiving numbers*

 

*sees GB discussion*

 

[Dementeleus]

I hear ya, robertman, but who goes out of their way to critique a trailer? Other than saying "I didn't like it" or someing along those lines. 

[Jack Nevada]

[cannastop]

5 minutes ago, robertman2 said:

I do feel awful for them, ESPECIALLY Leslie Jones, but I'm still a tad bit annoyed with Feig with lumping the people who had legitimate complaints with the trailer in with the shitbags who just hated the fact there was women in it. Oh well.

People with legitimate concerns don't care.

[robertman2]

2 minutes ago, Grand Moff Tele said:

I hear ya, robertman, but who goes out of their way to critique a trailer? Other than saying "I didn't like it" or someing along those lines. 

Reviewers who have no big movies to critique?

[CJohn]

The only thing to say about the new Ghostbusters is that it is really really bad. It doesn't matter if it were the four woman like JLAW, Haley Bennett, Emma Stone, instead the ones there, or four guys like Chris Pratt, Channing Tatum, whatever, it would have still been bad because the whole thing is just unfunny and boring. The script is garbage, the jokes are diahrrea to my ears and the direction was uninspired. There was also sexual harassment jokes.