Skyscraper | July 13 2018 | Legendary | Rawson Marshall Thurber directing. The Rock. China co-production, set in China.

[vc2002]

23 hours ago, DAJK said:

He's no Stallone, but I'd say The Rock can act at least a little better than Arnold. The two are eerily similar though, and I don't doubt Rock's fame is going to fade quick. But that point is at least a decade or two away.

 

I definitely agree. His pro wrestling job required a huge amount of on stage acting and that's definitely a good preparation for his movie career. But like Arnold, he started the acting career at a rather old age, long passing the age when you can really elevate your acting skill through systematic learning. IMO Arnold's best "personal" movie is Conan the Barbarian and his acting didn't improve at all since then. The same could be said on The Rock and The Scorpion King.

 

Not that The Scorpion King is as nearly good as Conan tho.

Edited July 16, 2018 by vc2002

[dudalb]

On ‎7‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 4:55 PM, Jake Gittes said:

Haven't seen this but a room of mirrors is just visually cool. And for the past 70 years basically every movie that included one has been homaging this.

 

 

Damn it, you beat me too it.

And for all the times it has been done, no one has ever come close to bettering what Orson Welles did.

[baumer]

@DAJK @vc2002.....let's be fair here.  The Rock has been in movies since 2002.  And he's been a headliner ever since.  He's going to be headlining at least for another 4 years.  That gives him a 20 year career and in that twenty years he's been one of the biggest draws/earners/in demand actors.  Most actors would beg to have a career like he's had so far.  He could basically fade away after 20 years in the business and he will still go down as one of the biggest stars of the last 30 years.  

 

Arnold, Sly, Willis, they all had points in their career when they started to slow down.  Arnold basically disappeared after he went into politics, Willis is doing straight to DVD stuff now and Sly had a period between 1994 and 2006 where he was an after thought.  His career has turned around of course, but for about 12 years he really didn't have anyone seeing his movies.  Ford is a bit different as he had a 30 year span where he was on top.  But the point is, even if the Rock all but disappeared after 2022, after 20 years of being on top, he's had a terrific career matched by very few in the business, ever.  

 

His films might not all be smashing successes, but besides Leo, who's are?

 

Denzel?  Nope.

Pitt?  Nope

Pratt?  Possibly, but he's still kind of in his infant stages of super stardom.

JLaw?  She's already slowing down.

 

So I'm just saying that yes, he will fade out eventually, but what a run he has had already.

 

 

 

 

[TalismanRing]

The Rock hasn't been on top for almost 20 years though or even 10.   He had the lead in a lot of under performing movies and a couple of duds and a few supporting roles.  He finally had a hit with The Game Plan in 2007 - a comedy and then it was several more year and movies until he made any sustained break through as an action star in 2011 when he joined Fast Five - an ensemble and then in 2012-2013 took on the lead in a couple of sequels  with Journey and GI Joe 2. 

 

7/13/18 Skyscraper Uni. $24,905,015 3,782 $24,905,015 3,782 27 4/13/18 Rampage (2018) WB (NL) $99,133,659 4,115 $35,753,093 4,101 13 12/20/17 Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle Sony $404,515,480 3,849 $36,169,328 3,765 1 5/25/17 Baywatch Par. $58,060,186 3,647 $18,503,871 3,647 19 4/14/17 The Fate of the Furious Uni. $226,008,385 4,329 $98,786,705 4,310 5 11/23/16 Moana (Voice) BV $248,757,044 3,875 $56,631,401 3,875 3 6/17/16 Central Intelligence WB (NL) $127,440,871 3,508 $35,535,250 3,508 9 10/23/15 Jem and the Holograms (Cameo) Uni. $2,184,640 2,417 $1,375,320 2,413 - 5/29/15 San Andreas WB (NL) $155,190,832 3,812 $54,588,173 3,777 7 4/3/15 Furious 7 Uni. $353,007,020 4,022 $147,187,040 4,004 2 7/25/14 Hercules (2014) Par. $72,688,614 3,595 $29,800,263 3,595 16 5/24/13 Fast & Furious 6 Uni. $238,679,850 3,771 $97,375,245 3,658 4 4/26/13 Pain and Gain Par. $49,875,291 3,303 $20,244,505 3,277 21 3/28/13 G.I. Joe: Retaliation Par. $122,523,060 3,734 $40,501,814 3,719 10 2/22/13 Snitch LG/S $42,930,462 2,511 $13,167,607 2,511 24 2/10/12 Journey 2: The Mysterious Island WB (NL) $103,860,290 3,500 $27,335,363 3,470 12 4/29/11 Fast Five Uni. $209,837,675 3,793 $86,198,765 3,644 6 11/24/10 Faster CBS $23,240,020 2,470 $8,523,153 2,454 28 8/6/10 The Other Guys Sony $119,219,978 3,651 $35,543,162 3,651 11 1/22/10 Tooth Fairy Fox $60,022,256 3,345 $14,010,409 3,344 18 11/20/09 Planet 51 (Voice) Sony $42,194,060 3,035 $12,286,129 3,035 - 3/13/09 Race to Witch Mountain BV $67,172,594 3,268 $24,402,214 3,187 17 6/20/08 Get Smart WB $130,319,208 3,915 $38,683,480 3,911 8 11/14/07 Southland Tales Gold. $275,380 63 $123,428 63 29 9/28/07 The Game Plan BV $90,648,202 3,342 $22,950,971 3,103 15 2/23/07 Reno 911!: Miami (Cameo) Fox $20,342,161 2,702 $10,273,477 2,702 - 9/15/06 Gridiron Gang Sony $38,432,823 3,510 $14,414,630 3,504 25 10/21/05 Doom Uni. $28,212,337 3,044 $15,488,870 3,044 26 3/4/05 Be Cool MGM $56,046,979 3,216 $23,450,212 3,216 20 4/2/04 Walking Tall MGM $46,437,717 2,836 $15,501,114 2,836 23 9/26/03 The Rundown Uni. $47,726,342 3,154 $18,553,765 3,152 22 4/19/02 The Scorpion King Uni. $91,047,077 3,466 $36,075,875 3,444 14 5/4/01 The Mummy Returns Uni. $202,019,785 3,553 $68,139,035 3,401 - Note: Titles in grey are cameo or bit parts and not counted in totals and averages. Lifetime Gross Total (29): $3,336,214,647 Average: $115,041,884 Opening Gross Average (28): $38,938,618 (Wide Releases Only)

[Barnack]

1 hour ago, baumer said:

@DAJK @vc2002.....let's be fair here.  The Rock has been in movies since 2002.  And he's been a headliner ever since.  He's going to be headlining at least for another 4 years.  That gives him a 20 year career and in that twenty years he's been one of the biggest draws/earners/in demand actors.  Most actors would beg to have a career like he's had so far.  He could basically fade away after 20 years in the business and he will still go down as one of the biggest stars of the last 30 years.  

 

Arnold, Sly, Willis, they all had points in their career when they started to slow down.  Arnold basically disappeared after he went into politics, Willis is doing straight to DVD stuff now and Sly had a period between 1994 and 2006 where he was an after thought.  His career has turned around of course, but for about 12 years he really didn't have anyone seeing his movies.  Ford is a bit different as he had a 30 year span where he was on top.  But the point is, even if the Rock all but disappeared after 2022, after 20 years of being on top, he's had a terrific career matched by very few in the business, ever.  

 

His films might not all be smashing successes, but besides Leo, who's are?

Leo has many release that were not smashing success post Titanic (not counting movie released after Titanic but that he agreed too before), Dicaprio movie that didn't double their budget.

 

Gang of new york: 194m on a 100m budget

Aviator: 213m on a 110m budget

Blood Diamond: 171m on a 100m budget

Body of lies: 116m on a 70m budget

 

And some were limit

Revolutionnary road: 75m on a 35m budget, but only 23m dom

J Edgard, 85m on a 35m budget

 

Not all failures because of the strength of the home video market of some them specially Aviator/Blood Diamond in the dvd peak, but no actor has all smashing success (DiCaprio has big financial success am impressive around 60% of the time and never flop).

 

Has for Johnson longevity, yes he became a star in the 90s in the wrestling world (becoming known in the 90s seem an almost 100% prerequisite to have box office success now), thus a very long time, but has a big movie star front I would agree that it is around Fast 5 that it occur, before Fast 5 was released he was still releasing non studio small movie under 10m at the OW like Faster and accepting role with pre-hunger games mini-studio Liongates on movies like Snitch.

 

That said high on top for 11-12 year's in not specially short if it happen either, Jim Carrey was 1994 to what 2003 ? 2005 max.

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Barnack

[vc2002]

1 hour ago, baumer said:

@DAJK @vc2002.....let's be fair here.  The Rock has been in movies since 2002.  And he's been a headliner ever since.  He's going to be headlining at least for another 4 years.  That gives him a 20 year career and in that twenty years he's been one of the biggest draws/earners/in demand actors.  Most actors would beg to have a career like he's had so far.  He could basically fade away after 20 years in the business and he will still go down as one of the biggest stars of the last 30 years.  

 

Arnold, Sly, Willis, they all had points in their career when they started to slow down.  Arnold basically disappeared after he went into politics, Willis is doing straight to DVD stuff now and Sly had a period between 1994 and 2006 where he was an after thought.  His career has turned around of course, but for about 12 years he really didn't have anyone seeing his movies.  Ford is a bit different as he had a 30 year span where he was on top.  But the point is, even if the Rock all but disappeared after 2022, after 20 years of being on top, he's had a terrific career matched by very few in the business, ever.  

 

His films might not all be smashing successes, but besides Leo, who's are?

 

Denzel?  Nope.

Pitt?  Nope

Pratt?  Possibly, but he's still kind of in his infant stages of super stardom.

JLaw?  She's already slowing down.

 

So I'm just saying that yes, he will fade out eventually, but what a run he has had already.

 

 

Well, if we look at this as a defending post, that's kind of a false defending isn't it? No one here denies The Rock has been massively successful in movies right? It's like responding to "Justin Bieber is a dipshit for doing a lot of dipshit things in his non-singer life." by saying "Hey look at what a magnificent singer's career he has."

Not that Bieber is comparable to The Rock tho.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW don't hate me on this, but Justin Bieber sings better than The Rock acts.

 

[The Futurist]

Dwayne has still yet to prove he can cary a huge movie only on his own.

Jumanji was not that.

San Andreas barely qualifies.

Edited July 17, 2018 by The Futurist

[baumer]

I've always said the Rock is like ketchup. Great when you add it to something but not so great on its own.

[Barnack]

8 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

Dwayne has still yet to prove he can cary a huge movie only on his own.

Jumanji was not that.

San Andreas barely qualifies.

Have not seen Rampage, but it did seem to be a lot of him and that he carried it quite well according to the reviews.

Edited July 17, 2018 by Barnack

[baumer]

Oh, and btw....Justin Bieber might be a douche in real life, but the man can sing and is very talented.  

[baumer]

3 hours ago, The Futurist said:

Dwayne has still yet to prove he can cary a huge movie only on his own.

Jumanji was not that.

San Andreas barely qualifies.

 

Well,if you are talking domestically, I agree, but WW, I disagree.

[TheDarkKnightOfSteel]

3 hours ago, baumer said:

Oh, and btw....Justin Bieber might be a douche in real life, but the man can sing and is very talented.  

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[AndyK]

3 hours ago, baumer said:

I've always said the Rock is like ketchup. Great when you add it to something but not so great on its own.

That a pretty good summary.

[Jay Beezy]

7 hours ago, baumer said:

I've always said the Rock is like ketchup. Great when you add it to something but not so great on its own.

Add too much of it to something and it spoils it.

 

Or put it this way: don't center your meal around a condiment, but center a condiment around your meal.

Edited July 17, 2018 by Jay Beezy

[OdinSon2k14]

I'm wondering 🤣...the amputee angle, and accompanying hospital visits...any fool could see that this was nothing more than a desperate marketing strategy to sell the movie. 

 

So how fast does The Rock drop the whole amputee advocacy act, now that it didn't translate to the box office 🤣? Pretty soon. Time to move on to Ballers 🤣🤣

 

A lot of amputees are gonna be pissed that The Rock no longer answers their e-mails and tweets 🤣🤣

[POTUS 2020]

China will save another movie.

$100m+ there will get SS over 2x its budget

[OdinSon2k14]

On 7/22/2018 at 3:30 AM, POTUS said:

China will save another movie.

$100m+ there will get SS over 2x its budget

It won't cover the marketing costs, it's still a loss.

[POTUS 2020]

27 minutes ago, OdinSon2k14 said:

It won't cover the marketing costs, it's still a loss.

secondary markets will cover marketing costs

In general, if a movie doubles its budget its not considered a loss

[Barnack]

6 hours ago, POTUS said:

secondary markets will cover marketing costs

In general, if a movie doubles its budget its not considered a loss

Even for the China heavy performance ?

 

Warcraft for example.

 

If it is true that they are not getting anything from the ancillary market for it in China, a $105m box office there is "just" 25m or so in revenues for them after expense. That is so for far from the revenues of doing 100m say domestic.

 

Has for the secondary market covering the 100m or so marketing cost, maybe.

[OdinSon2k14]

8 hours ago, POTUS said:

secondary markets will cover marketing costs

In general, if a movie doubles its budget its not considered a 

"Skyscraper's China performance taken together with the $27.7 million earned in other foreign markets over the weekend meant that the film was the best performing globally with $75 million this weekend and its worldwide total now at $179.6 million. However, the film is still facing a loss."

 

25% from China, dude...bombing just about everywhere else. MI6 Friday, turn the lights out. if it makes ten dollars and change profit, what difference does it make 🤣?! Dont hold your breath waiting for that sequel announcement 🤣!

 

Dont listen to Dwayne himself, when he pounds his chest; his math skills have proven to be suspect 🤣. Baywatch made its budget back in one week, the theaters agreed to not take their 45-50%! They show movies for free now 🤣!!

Edited July 23, 2018 by OdinSon2k14