Classic Conversation Thread

[Torontofan]

14 hours ago, dudalb said:

One thing the OJ ttial did. You have seen very, very few major trials televised live in the US since the OJ trial.

Good thing too, since of the lessons learned is that televising live totally distorts the whole trial process.

 

yeah Amber Heard turned into public enemy number 1 due to her trial being televised and showed even today.

 

Yeah the OJ simpson trial is one of the most famous trials in history, I was to young then but i grew up in the late 90s and 2000s and a lot of the characters from that time became very famous and well known. 

 

 

 

 

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

8 hours ago, filmlover said:

 

 

 

So many Bachelor fans have lamented how the shows now are just full of wannabe influencers and people there "for the wrong reasons" instead of trying to find love. A cast with seniors was supposed to mean the contestants were more grounded and sensible. Ha!

 

Most Bachelor couples don't work out but the ones that have married were engaged for a year or two first. The Golden Bachelor season didn't even start filming until last August and he's already divorcing the woman he picked in April. The producers probably dangled a bunch of money in front of them for a live TV wedding (and it needed to be in January for promotional reasons). The first Bachelorette couple got $1 million for their wedding special, plus a lavish ceremony all expenses paid. At least they're still married (20 years last December).

Edited April 12 by BoxOfficeFangrl

[dudalb]

7 hours ago, Torontofan said:

 

yeah Amber Heard turned into public enemy number 1 due to her trial being televised and showed even today.

 

Yeah the OJ simpson trial is one of the most famous trials in history, I was to young then but i grew up in the late 90s and 2000s and a lot of the characters from that time became very famous and well known. 

Ny sister is a practicing attorney, and she says the opinion of lawyers is almost unaimious:They HATE cameras in the courtroom.

 

 

 

 

The worst thing is that everybody,  involved in the trial starts playing to the cameras.

 

Edited April 12 by dudalb

[dudalb]

16 hours ago, filmlover said:

I don't think they can tbh. You truly had to be there. Watching the Bronco chase as it was happening in 1994 was such a surreal experience. Imagine if social media had existed then.

 

And then there's the fact so many people from that trial would end up becoming celebrities-through-circumstance and reality TV stars. The "reality" TV boon of the early aughts doesn't explode the way it did (or at least occurs more slowly than it did) without that entire case.

 

People like to claim that that saga, along with the Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan scandal just months before, were the downfall of the media and gave them the idea to embrace sensationalism, but come on now. How could these tales not be sensational when authorities in these cases had such...characters...that they had to work with?

 

The Media has embraced sensationalism from day one.

Back in the late 1800's Joseph Pulitzer and William Randoplh Hearst built their newspaper empires on sensationalism.

The Harding ]Kerrigan case though, was alot less serious then the OJ case. In the end, was black comedy..and one reason I  really liked I Tonya was that the film played it that way.

[MrGamer]

[dudalb]

I don't wan to get political, but Biden statement about Iran attacking Israel is very, veryk scary.

[filmlover]

6 hours ago, BoxOfficeFangrl said:

 

So many Bachelor fans have lamented how the shows now are just full of wannabe influencers and people there "for the wrong reasons" instead of trying to find love. A cast with seniors was supposed to mean the contestants were more grounded and sensible. Ha!

 

Most Bachelor couples don't work out but the ones that have married were engaged for year or two first. The Golden Bachelor season didn't even start filming until last August and he's already divorcing the woman he picked in April. The producers probably dangled a bunch of money in front of them for a live TV wedding (and it needed to be in January for promotional reasons). The first Bachelorette couple got $1 million for their wedding special, plus a lavish ceremony all expenses paid. At least they're still married (20 years last December).

Network pressure seems like a plausible scenario because divorcing just 3 months after having lavish wedding on TV is pretty yikes. What a total waste of time and money if there was even an inkling it wouldn't last.

 

It's not much different than having a lavish wedding at Disney World (look up their wedding packages, they're the opposite of cheap and require a really big wallet). Better be absolutely sure it's true love and going to last or else you're going to find yourself deep in the red for reasons that could have been avoided.

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

11 hours ago, filmlover said:

Network pressure seems like a plausible scenario because divorcing just 3 months after having lavish wedding on TV is pretty yikes. What a total waste of time and money if there was even an inkling it wouldn't last.

 

It wasn't a total waste of money—the wedding special got ABC better ratings than reruns, plus it helped advertise the premiere of the (young) Bachelor's newest season later that month. The wedding was also on a Monday, another way to keep down the costs.

 

The show had stopped doing the big wedding specials. By the time the couples actually got married (a year, 18 months later—you know, a sensible timeframe for an engagement), several more seasons of Bachelor content had been pumped out, and fans had moved on, so the ratings stopped being good enough to justify the cost. The Golden Bachelor got the franchise its biggest ratings in years, so ABC wanted to cash in while it was hot. And now they've been burned.

 

The Hollywood Reporter did a Golden Bachelor exposé about his past and he didn't bother to deny the claims really. Fans were all in on him, but with this divorce maybe more dirt will come out.

 

[Becker]

On 4/11/2024 at 7:56 AM, Eric Atreides said:

 

He's driving that White Bronco in the sky

RIP. It's so sad. He'll never live to see who murdered his wife. Hope his soul can find solace.

[AJG]

Sending out your declaration of war via Tweet is wild behavior. We might actually be in the last days.

 

 

 

[ChipDerby]

Old man trump fell asleep during hour one, day one, of his criminal trial LMAO

[Porthos]

Pulling this out of the Civil War thread as to not be Off Topic

 

2 hours ago, cinema pal said:

or let's have look at Sasha Stone.

 

 

Yes, let's take a look at Sasha Stone. 

 

What the fucking hell happened to her?  Saw some stray commentary off and on in the CW thread about her being a right wing loon and that didn't match up at all with my memories of her being a stereotypical HRC supporter who was the type to blast the Susan Sarandon's of the world for giving us Trump in the first place.

 

Took a look at her Substack just a few minutes ago (which I am not linking to on purpose) and..

 

Y

I

K

E

S

 

Again...

What

the

fucking

hell

happened to her?

 

Did COVID break her that badly?  Case of Being Terminally Online Leads to Brainrot?  Oppositional Defiance Disorder thanks to butting heads with too many Other Terminally Online (so-called) Leftists?

 

Cause while she's always been... let's say opinionated and blunt with her style of commentary, holy hell I wasn't expecting that. Especially her worshiping of Tucker Carlson.

 

Biz-zare.

 

No, seriously, what the fuck happened to her?  Was this a gradual thing where she kept inching and inching and inching before leaping over the slippery slope, or did it come somewhat out of the blue.  Because that ain't the Sasha Stone *I* remember.

 

Gonna tag @Cmasterclay coz he was one of the first people I remember mentioning Stone's Face Heel Turn as well as @BoxOfficeFangrl and @Cap as they're both far far faaaaaar more in tune with the Awards Circuit than I am.

Edited April 15 by Porthos

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

1 hour ago, Porthos said:

Pulling this out of the Civil War thread as to not be Off Topic

 

 

 

Yes, let's take a look at Sasha Stone. 

 

What the fucking hell happened to her?  Saw some stray commentary off and on in the CW thread about her being a right wing loon and that didn't match up at all with my memories of her being a stereotypical HRC supporter who was the type to blast the Susan Sarandon's of the world for giving us Trump in the first place.

 

Took a look at her Substack just a few minutes ago (which I am not linking to on purpose) and..

 

Y

I

K

E

S

 

Again...

What

the

fucking

hell

happened to her?

 

Did COVID break her that badly?  Case of Being Terminally Online Leads to Brainrot?  Oppositional Defiance Disorder thanks to butting heads with too many Other Terminally Online (so-called) Leftists?

 

Cause while she's always been... let's say opinionated and blunt with her style of commentary, holy hell I wasn't expecting that. Especially her worshiping of Tucker Carlson.

 

Biz-zare.

 

No, seriously, what the fuck happened to her?  Was this a gradual thing where she kept inching and inching and inching before leaping over the slippery slope, or did it come somewhat out of the blue.  Because that ain't the Sasha Stone *I* remember.

 

Gonna tag @Cmasterclay coz he was one of the first people I remember mentioning Stone's Face Heel Turn as well as @BoxOfficeFangrl and @Cap as they're both far far faaaaaar more in tune with the Awards Circuit than I am.

In awards spaces, people have been saying she's "Blue MAGA" for years.

 

I became disenchanted over a decade ago but recall her misogyny towards younger women in the industry and repeated meltdowns about awards results. Many awards stans display a total inability to understand that tastes differ, so voters liking The King's Speech or Lady Bird or whatever is not part of some nefarious plot—but when being a Oscar pundit is your career, you should really try to keep things professional.

 

Supposedly, the 2016 election outcome was the real breaking point. Some cynics wonder how much of the displayed beliefs are real, versus positioning oneself as an anti-woke "beacon" in a glut of liberal/progressive awards pundits. Blogging doesn't pay like it did in the aughts, but there's a lucrative audience in appealing to right wingers in the culture wars.

 

OTOH, Sasha and Jeff Wells were friendly once and he's been widely loathed for his racial and gender politics even before #MeToo, so maybe she was never as enlightened as her (old) image.

Edited April 15 by BoxOfficeFangrl

[Cmasterclay]

1 hour ago, Porthos said:

Pulling this out of the Civil War thread as to not be Off Topic

 

 

 

Yes, let's take a look at Sasha Stone. 

 

What the fucking hell happened to her?  Saw some stray commentary off and on in the CW thread about her being a right wing loon and that didn't match up at all with my memories of her being a stereotypical HRC supporter who was the type to blast the Susan Sarandon's of the world for giving us Trump in the first place.

 

Took a look at her Substack just a few minutes ago (which I am not linking to on purpose) and..

 

Y

I

K

E

S

 

Again...

What

the

fucking

hell

happened to her?

 

Did COVID break her that badly?  Case of Being Terminally Online Leads to Brainrot?  Oppositional Defiance Disorder thanks to butting heads with too many Other Terminally Online (so-called) Leftists?

 

Cause while she's always been... let's say opinionated and blunt with her style of commentary, holy hell I wasn't expecting that. Especially her worshiping of Tucker Carlson.

 

Biz-zare.

 

No, seriously, what the fuck happened to her?  Was this a gradual thing where she kept inching and inching and inching before leaping over the slippery slope, or did it come somewhat out of the blue.  Because that ain't the Sasha Stone *I* remember.

 

Gonna tag @Cmasterclay coz he was one of the first people I remember mentioning Stone's Face Heel Turn as well as @BoxOfficeFangrl and @Cap as they're both far far faaaaaar more in tune with the Awards Circuit than I am.

She's part of what I call the "grift drift" - when normal liberals realize they can make money by being online right wing agitators. 

[Porthos]

29 minutes ago, BoxOfficeFangrl said:

In awards spaces, people have been saying she's "Blue MAGA" for years.

 

I became disenchanted over a decade ago but recall her misogyny towards younger women in the industry and repeated meltdowns about awards results. Many awards stans display a total inability to understand that tastes differ, so voters liking The King's Speech or Lady Bird or whatever is not part of some nefarious plot—but when being a Oscar pundit is your career, you should really try to keep things professional.

 

Supposedly, the 2016 election outcome was the real breaking point. Some cynics wonder how much of the displayed beliefs are real, versus positioning oneself as an anti-woke "beacon" in a glut of liberal/progressive awards pundits.Blogging doesn't pay like it did in the aughts, but there's a lucrative audience in appealing to right wingers in the culture wars.

 

OTOH, Sasha and Jeff Wells were friendly once and he's been widely loathed for his racial and gender politics even before #MeToo, so maybe she was never as enlightened as her (old) image.

 

8 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:

She's part of what I call the "grift drift" - when normal liberals realize they can make money by being online right wing agitators. 

 

Thanks for both replies. 👍 

 

Reminds me a bit of Tulsi Gabbard where she had a couple of core beliefs (and even those could be tossed overboard if needed), but otherwise would go where the wind/money would take them.  Especially once they find out how lucrative it is.

 

(I make the Gabbard analogy because folks who have followed her closely for decades [i.e. me] aren't surprised one whit to see the direction she's taken, given her history/background in Hawaii back in the '00s)

 

 

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[filmlover]

6 hours ago, Porthos said:

Pulling this out of the Civil War thread as to not be Off Topic

 

 

 

Yes, let's take a look at Sasha Stone. 

 

What the fucking hell happened to her?  Saw some stray commentary off and on in the CW thread about her being a right wing loon and that didn't match up at all with my memories of her being a stereotypical HRC supporter who was the type to blast the Susan Sarandon's of the world for giving us Trump in the first place.

 

Took a look at her Substack just a few minutes ago (which I am not linking to on purpose) and..

 

Y

I

K

E

S

 

Again...

What

the

fucking

hell

happened to her?

 

Did COVID break her that badly?  Case of Being Terminally Online Leads to Brainrot?  Oppositional Defiance Disorder thanks to butting heads with too many Other Terminally Online (so-called) Leftists?

 

Cause while she's always been... let's say opinionated and blunt with her style of commentary, holy hell I wasn't expecting that. Especially her worshiping of Tucker Carlson.

 

Biz-zare.

 

No, seriously, what the fuck happened to her?  Was this a gradual thing where she kept inching and inching and inching before leaping over the slippery slope, or did it come somewhat out of the blue.  Because that ain't the Sasha Stone *I* remember.

 

Gonna tag @Cmasterclay coz he was one of the first people I remember mentioning Stone's Face Heel Turn as well as @BoxOfficeFangrl and @Cap as they're both far far faaaaaar more in tune with the Awards Circuit than I am.

I have never liked Sasha Stone lol.

 

Beyond the unintentional entertainment she used to provide during awards season before she went completely nuts. Her meltdowns during the 2010 season once it became obvious The Social Network wasn't the frontrunner and that The King's Speech was winning (a trip of a season already with Melissa Leo's iconic "Consider" campaign and the revelation that one of the sets in The King's Speech was previously used for a gay porno - look that story up lmfao) were legendary.

[filmlover]

Will this cause as much manufactured drama as the Tom Holland West End version has? Only time will tell!

 

 

[Eric the Minion]

12 minutes ago, filmlover said:

Will this cause as much manufactured drama as the Tom Holland West End version has? Only time will tell!

 

 

RACHEL SUPREMACY LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[cannastop]

https://harpers.org/archive/2024/05/the-life-and-death-of-hollywood-daniel-bessner/

 

Quote

The film and TV industry is now controlled by only four major companies, and it is shot through with incentives to devalue the actual production of film and television. What is to be done? The most direct solution would be government intervention. If it wanted to, a presidential administration could enforce existing antitrust law, break up the conglomerates, and begin to pull entertainment companies loose from asset-management firms. It could regulate the use of financial tools, as deWaard has suggested; it could rein in private equity. The government could also increase competition directly by funding more public film and television. It could establish a universal basic income for artists and writers.

None of this is likely to happen. 

This is an interesting article, though it could be said that what the writer calls the death of Hollywood is the death of a lucrative writing career.