Barnack Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, The Futurist said: It s like some of you discover today how capitalism & corporations work. Because, sure, whatever you are acusing Disney of, it s not like the exact same is happenning in any other business all over the world. Disney is the Evil Empire sure, but Samsung, Google, Coca Cola Co., Oracle, Toyota, Shell, Goldman Sachs etc etc etc or any of the 1000+ giant corporations that control most of the global business are fair & kind and loving and understanding and respectful and sing songs about rainbows in the morning. What kind of strawmen is this, do you really believe any of what you just wrote, that people writing possible negative future consequence of this deal does not know about Samsung, Google, Coca Cola, Oracle, Toyota, Shell, Goldman Sachs and many others sector (many worst, Neon making is tight 3 player oligopoly were I am from, snow removal for cities for example was much worst in term of corruption and controls just not as fun one to talk about). People happen to speak about this situation and not other because it is currently happening and because it is a movie message boards. Serious question, are you just trolling or really believing anything you just wrote would be eye opening to anyone reading ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heat Vision Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, B D Joe said: They plan to keep Fox Searchlight running but for how long? Deadpool stays R-rated but how many R-rated franchises will they create in the future? Blade Moonnight Thunderbolts Also give me Taskmaster vs. Deadpool. That is all. I'm wonder if Disney will reboot Home Alone. Also they technically own Buffy and Firefly now something that might peek Joss Whedon' s interest. Edited December 14, 2017 by Heat Vision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAR Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Barnack said: What kind of strawmen is this, do you really believe any of what you just wrote, that people writing possible negative future consequence of this deal does not know about Samsung, Google, Coca Cola, Oracle, Toyota, Shell, Goldman Sachs and many others sector (many worst, Neon making is tight 3 player oligopoly were I am from, snow removal for cities for example was much worst in term of corruption and controls just not as fun one to talk about). People happen to speak about this situation and not other because it is currently happening and because it is a movie message boards. Serious question, are you just trolling or really believing anything you just wrote would be eye opening to anyone reading ? I think you've been around long enough to know how Futurist works 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B D Joe Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Heat Vision said: Blade Moonnight Thunderbolts Also give me Taskmaster vs. Deadpool. That is all. I'm wonder if Disney will reboot Home Alone. Also they technically own Buffy and Firefly now something that might peek Joss Whedon' s interest. More likely instead of R-rated films, they give those characters a TV series on their streaming service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said: I think you are a smart man so you should know that things rarely work by definition. We both know what I am saying but If you don't want to call it a monopoly well it's OK don't.. There are some words with nebulous meaning. "Monopoly" is not one of them. This forum is the first place where I've ever seen the word used incorrectly so many times, and I do a lot of reading. When you call Disney a monopoly, what it suggests to anyone who is actually familiar with the term is that you have no idea what monopoly means, or you have no idea about what the Disney+Fox market share will actually be, or both. If you're okay with that, then by all means keep using the word according to your own personal definition. Edited December 14, 2017 by Jason 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeCee Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 Search your feelings. It’s a monopoly because it feels like a monopoly. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heat Vision Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Notable Film Series Avatar Planet of the Apes Alien Predator Home Alone Die Hard Independence Day Kingsman Ice Age Rio The Fly Night at the Museum Romancing the Stone Notable TV Series The Simpson Family Guy American Dad Futurama 24/24:Legacy Buffy The Vampire Slayer Firefly The X-Files Legion The Gifted American Horror Story Fargo Empire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said: I think you are a smart man so you should know that things rarely work by definition. We both know what I am saying but If you don't want to call it a monopoly well it's OK don't.. I know what you're saying. I'm simply saying you were wrong. And yes, things work by definition. I was already being generous by defining a monopoly by 90% market power, many industrial economists are even more stingy with their definition for a monopoly. I'm also saying the roughly 30-40% market share Disney-Fox will have (possibly less, as we shouldn't expect Disney to crank out as many movies with Fox as they were, and there's a good chance Sony, Paramount or WB start producing more) is not going to create an uncompetitive environment where the other major studios can't keep up and compete. Edited December 14, 2017 by The Last Panda 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FantasticBeasts Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jason said: There are some words with nebulous meaning. "Monopoly" is not one of them. This forum is the first place where I've ever seen the word used incorrectly so many times, and I do a lot of reading. When you call Disney a monopoly, what it suggests to anyone who is actually familiar with the term is that you have no idea what monopoly means, or you have no idea about what the Disney+Fox market share will actually be, or both. If you're okay with that, then by all means keep using the word according to your own personal definition. As you know, I am not a native english speaker so it is impossible for me to know exactly how the word is used. I should have backed off based on that alone. The reason that I insisted is that the word is basically identical to the greek word ("μονοπώλιο") it comes from, which as I said describes a corporation that dominates 100% of the market, something that is impossible in today's world. Anyway, I think that we both know what I mean and I acknowledge that I didn't have to insist when I am not an english native speaker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Yep, there will be no monopoly, far from it. It's an overreaction tainted by anti-Disney feelings, nothing else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expensiveho Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 They already said they'll keep the Rated R/Searchlight films, so the whole "artistic doomsday" is on hold until they actually do something. They need those kind of movies for streaming. I wonder if they'll use Fox to make horror movies, though. Universal has BH and WB has The conjuring, both of which have been highly profitable and streaming-friendly. Now, the ones that should worry are theaters and Netflix. This is basically the biggest player in town saying "Streaming is the future and theaters are done" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepItU25071906 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, Fullbuster said: Yep, there will be no monopoly, far from it. I I don't think we can use "far from it" regards to company which owns ~ 40% of market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDerby Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, Fullbuster said: Yep, there will be no monopoly, far from it. It's an overreaction tainted by anti-Disney feelings, nothing else. This is complete bullshit. This isn't an overreaction. Y'all act like people hate Disney. They're one of the most profitable companies in the world. People are reacting negatively because this is going to put a lot of people out of work, and will lead to a more noncompetitive market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mredman Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 is this even allowed since their are MONOPOLY laws in place ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomCat Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, mredman said: is this even allowed since their are MONOPOLY laws in place ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, ChipMunky said: Y'all act like people hate Disney. When it is one of the top 10 most loved company on america (and that the main feeling creating the main storyline about it), if Disney was an hated company without any emotional love, the reaction could be different (imagine if it was comcast pushing the net non-neutrality and this at the same time....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, mredman said: is this even allowed since their are MONOPOLY laws in place ? They did try to minimize any part of the deal that would go against them, they will not acquire the network or the national sports coverage to not create conflict with NBC or espn, will not acquire the news division, it could go through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Disney Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Darth Suburious said: Hopefully this ends with Amazon buying Disney and putting all of there movies on prime. Maybe you'll get your wish, but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That One Girl Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I guess this means A Cure for Wellness 2 ain’t happening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FantasticBeasts Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) Let's discuss things then without the "monopoly claims" and see what are the big franchises that other studios own nowadays. Not to get in needless arguments, I count as a "strong" franchise one that can make at least +$700m WW. -Warner Bros Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts DCEU comics. IT (?!) -Universal Jurrasic World Despicable Me/Minions Fast and Fourious -Sony Bond (!??) -Paramount Transformers (??!) And now let us look at disney; Star Wars Marvel Cinematic (what the owned before the deal) WDAS Pixar Live action adaptations of animated classics Avatar Spider Man X-men (Deadpool) Pirates of the Caribean I am really curious as to how you guys can see potential competition.. Edited December 14, 2017 by FantasticBeasts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...