Episode IV:A NEW MOUSE | DISNEY | IT IS DONE

[Kvikk Lunsj]

26 minutes ago, Walt Disney said:

Maybe you'll get your wish, but I doubt it. 

I was joking. I do not want Amazon to buy Disney. But I am guessing you would be upset 

[WrathOfHan]

As far as active franchises go:

 

Universal has Illumination, Dreamworks, Jurassic Park, Furious, basically every Blumhouse movie, and DARK UNIVERSE (ok maybe not that one); Mortal Engines could be another franchise for them

WB has DC, Potter, Conjuring, LEGO, and Godzilla/Kong

Paramount has MI, Star Trek, Transformers, xXx, and Spongebob

Sony has Spider-Man with the potential for Jumanji to continue (can't forget about EMOJI either)

After this deal, Disney will have all other Marvel avenues, SW, WDAS/Pixar, Avatar, Alien, Kingsman, and Hercule Poirot/Agatha Christie with the potential for Alita to be a franchise (if it doesn't bomb like GITS/Valerian)

 

The only major franchises Disney is absorbing from Fox are X-Men/F4 and Avatar. Kingsman and Poirot are merely solid performers, and Alien has one movie left in it with a slimmed down budget. It's still a bad deal for the industry because all those original, standalone films are being merged.

Edited December 14, 2017 by WrathOfHan

[Barnack]

12 minutes ago, Harpospoke said:

You can't be suggesting that Whiplash had the potential to be as big as a Turtles movie if only they had marketed it and put it in more theaters.

 

Studios put movies in a certain number of theaters for a reason.   And it's not because they have some hidden bias against the movies you like.

 

You are trying to blame the studios for something the public controls.

 I am not sure what you are suggesting I am saying or projecting on what I am saying.

 

My statement:

A movie that can sell toys, merchandise, pijamas, sequels, etc... is a better one for a studio even if the audience like an other movie as much, even if they like an other movie significantly more. Creating a bias for studios toward project that can have sequels vs those who cannot, toward project that can sell merchandise vs those who cannot, do you disagree with this ?

 

It is more a positive bias toward that type of movie than a bias against the others, how many people will like the movie if they see it, is far from being the only metric used to greenlight project and far to be the only metric that determine a movie commercial success either (how many people will like the trailers is often a better question)

 

The last turtle movie did 82 million with better reviews than the first one, there is 340+m people in the domestic market, suggesting that a good movie like Whiplash could bring 3% of the population in with that kind of giant marketing campaign is not that crazy, I am still saying that giant majority of the population would have had no interest in it. 

 

But I was more saying that if you would have picked a random 1,000 people among movie goers to see both movie it is not certain that the 2014 Turtles movies would have been the favorite and it is not the reason it made more money.

 

 

[The Panda]

11 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said:

Let's discuss things then without the "monopoly claims" and see what are the big franchises that other studios own nowadays. Not to get in needless arguments, I count as a "strong" franchise one that can make at least +$700m WW.

-Warner Bros

• Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts
• DCEU comics.
• IT (?!)

-Universal

• Jurrasic World
• Despicable Me/Minions
• Fast and Fourious

-Sony

• Bond (!??)

-Paramount

• Transformers (??!)

And now let us look at disney;

• Star Wars
• Marvel Cinematic (what the owned before the deal)
• WDAS
• Pixar
• Live action adaptations of animated classics
• Avatar
• Spider Man
• X-men (Deadpool)
• Pirates of the Caribean

I am really curious as to how you guys can see potential competition..

 

I think it's probably better to look at the major hits each studio has had in the last 5 years or so

 

WB

 - DCEU (Wonder Woman, BvS, MoS, SS, etc)

- Potter/Fantastic Beasts

- IT

- Middle Earth (Hobbits)

- Nolan (Interstellar Int., Dunkirk, TDKR, Inception)

- LEGO (Batman and Movie)

- Eastwood (American Sniper and Sully)

- Original Tenpoles (Gravity, Edge of Tomorrow, San Andreas, Hangover movies, Pacific Rim)

- Monster Movies (Godzilla, Kong)

- The Conjuring Franchise + Horror (Conjuring 1 and 2, Annabelle 1 and 2, Lights Out)

- Rocky (Creed, Creed 2?)

- Comedies (We're the Millers, Central Intelligence, Tammy)

- Mad Max

- Magic Mike movies

- 300 movies

- Tarzan

- Great Gatsby

- Journey

- Argo

 

Universal

- Illumination (Despicable Me Franchise, Pets, Sing, Dr. Seuss, etc)

- DreamWorks (The Boss Baby, Home, HTTYD, etc.)

- Jurassic Park Franchise

- Fast and Furious Franchise

- Original Horror (Get Out, Split, Happy Death Day, Purge Franchise, The Visit, Mama

- Comedies (Pitch Perfect Franchise, Ride Along Franchise, Ted, Trainwreck, Neighbors, Dumb and Dumber, Sisters, Identity Thief

- Fifty Shades Franchise

- Monster Franchise (Dracula, Mummy)

- Bourne Franchise

- Straight Outta Compton

- Les Miserables

- Lucy

- Unbroken

- Lone Survivor

- Snow White

 

Sony

- Spider-Man franchise

- James Bond

- Sony Animations (Emoji Movie, Angry Birds, Sausage Party, Cloudy 1 and 2, Hotel Transylvania

- Jump Street Movies

- Men in Black Movies

- American Hustle

- TriStar Religious (War Room, Heaven is For Real)

- Baby Driver

- Passengers

- Ghostbusters

- Grown Ups

- Captain Phillips

- This is the End

- The Vow

- Think Like a Man

 

Paramount

- Star Trek

- Transformers

- Mission Impossible

- SpongeBob

- Daddys Home

- Anchorman

- Arrival

- Cloverfield

- World War Z

- Paranormal Activity

- Jackass

- Top Gun

- G.I. Joe

- TMNT

- The Wolf of Wall Street

- Terminator

- Interstellar

 

Obviously Fox/Disney is destined to have the most market power, but to say they'll eliminate their competition is a little ridiculous when you look and see that the other major studios still had a high output.

 

[somebody85]

14 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

As far as active franchises go:

 

Universal has Illumination, Dreamworks, Jurassic Park, Furious, basically every Blumhouse movie, and DARK UNIVERSE (ok maybe not that one); Mortal Engines could be another franchise for them

WB has DC, Potter, Conjuring, LEGO, and Godzilla/Kong

Paramount has MI, Star Trek, Transformers, xXx, and Spongebob

Sony has Spider-Man with the potential for Jumanji to continue (can't forget about EMOJI either)

After this deal, Disney will have all other Marvel avenues, SW, WDAS/Pixar, Avatar, Alien, Kingsman, and Hercule Poirot/Agatha Christie with the potential for Alita to be a franchise (if it doesn't bomb like GITS/Valerian)

 

The only major franchises Disney is absorbing from Fox are X-Men/F4 and Avatar. Kingsman and Poirot are merely solid performers, and Alien has one movie left in it with a slimmed down budget. It's still a bad deal for the industry because all those original, standalone films are being merged.

You forgot about the amazing 21 Jump Street/MIB Crossover that's coming

[KeepItU25071906]

26 minutes ago, ChipMunky said:

 

A lot of people had an issue with WB trying to buy AT&T

Тime Warner, not WB

[EmpireCity]

20 minutes ago, mredman said:

Is this even allowed because of monopoly laws ?

because with this deal Disney rule BO forever

It has to go through review, but it will be allowed since it isn't a monopoly but is simply a giant chunk.  

 

You are correct that this sets them up to rule the box office, especially key dates.  They will choke the competition out of key Holiday releases and other prime spots.  

[FantasticBeasts]

45 minutes ago, ChipMunky said:

 

If you're going to lump the DCEU together, it's disingenuous to not do the same for Marvel.

So really the list for Disney is:

Star Wars

Marvel

WDAS

Pixar

Live-Action Disney Classics (only a few left)

Avatar? (at least one more... maybe none after?)

Pirates (will they really make more? the next might not make $700 mil WW)

 

They're really only expanding Marvel's footprint, adding Avatar (which is already included in their parks).

Marvel and X-Men together are definetely consisting of more future movies than the DCEU. If anything I am favouring Marvel the way I did it especially since DCEU is not guarranteed to be in that list with their future releases. ALSO there are 4 more planned sequels for Avatar that could end up being the biggest things of the next decade. 

37 minutes ago, Sand-omJC said:

 Well, there are such things that are NOT 700M WW franchises.

Oh yeah Disney will feel really a lot of competition from flops or oscar baity movies.

 

33 minutes ago, Deja23 said:

Spider-Man counts for Sony...they got the profit from any solo Spider-Man movie and are making other spider verse movies. Not sure the next Pirates can make $700m WW after the way the last one performed, unless we’re also including past movies. Then I’d include Middle Earth for WB. 

By that logic you would have to exclude Transformers as well, potentially Bond and IT too. 

Those are definetely NOT guarranteed to make <700m with the first one probably looking not to.

[FantasticBeasts]

13 minutes ago, The Last Panda said:

 

Obviously Fox/Disney is destined to have the most market power, but to say they'll eliminate their competition is a little ridiculous when you look and see that the other major studios still had a high output.

 

I will just tell this; I see no fucking way how another studio can win the crown in the near future whatsoever.

It is not even close and you know this too. 

Just look at the future releases for 2018 and 2019 and this is scary. It is not even worth speculating.

Edited December 14, 2017 by FantasticBeasts

[The Panda]

Just now, FantasticBeasts said:

I will just tell this; I see no fucking way how another studio can win the crown in the near future whatsoever.

It is not even close and you know this too. 

Just look at the future released for 2018 and 2019 and this is scary. It is not even exciting at all.

Winning the revenue crown for the year is bragging rights though, it doesn't mean the other studios aren't able to compete and make a profit?

[mredman]

18 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

It has to go through review, but it will be allowed since it isn't a monopoly but is simply a giant chunk.  

 

You are correct that this sets them up to rule the box office, especially key dates.  They will choke the competition out of key Holiday releases and other prime spots.  

This is very bad. Why is this allowed then and not the ATT deal with Warner ?

A giant chunk is pretty much monopoly imo

And what will happen to FOX titles now on Blu-Ray will they go OOP and what about FOX tv shows being releasedon Blu-Ray will that stop or will they function like Marvel, PiXAR does under Disney ?

Edited December 14, 2017 by mredman

[FantasticBeasts]

1 minute ago, The Last Panda said:

Winning the revenue crown for the year is bragging rights though, it doesn't mean the other studios aren't able to compete and make a profit?

No one said it is the end of the world.

But disney will win every singe year until something changes drastically and 90% of the billion grossers will be theirs.

[ChipDerby]

4 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said:

No one said it is the end of the world.

But disney will win every singe year until something changes drastically and 90% of the billion grossers will be theirs.

 

Disney was already pretty much locked up to win the year in 2018 and 2019. Nothing has really changed.

 

50% of the Top 10 WW belong to Disney, they'll be adding... 1 to that list.

[FantasticBeasts]

1 minute ago, ChipMunky said:

 

Disney was already pretty much locked up to win the year in 2018 and 2019. Nothing has really changed.

 

50% of the Top 10 WW belong to Disney, they'll be adding... 1 to that list.

That's why this deal is the worsening of an already "difficult" situation.

[RobinHood26]

As someone who pays there bills in the industry you guys don't realize. lots and lot of jobs will be lost and this will effect everything down to Tv shows, promos, commercials, youtube web shows,  Its really bad for any below the line crew. 

 

this isn't music. todays music is made by 2 or 3 people in a room. Thats all it takes to make something sound 10000% professional. A song is 3 minutes.

 

A movie is 90 minutes of music plus 90 minutes of acting, sets, costumes, make up, lighting, months of catering, driving, etc, the lost goes on and on and on. making a movie is like building a city for a year.

 

Imagine if tomorrow you said ok as an INDUSTRY construction contractors were going to make 15% less large scale  construction projects for the rest of time . LOTS of people would lose work. same thing here.

 

 

THIS IS THE ISSUE. The value of enteraitnment is dropping. Im sorry but but hundreds of people working on something should cost something. How are we going to have movies in 15 years when people demands 1,000's of hours a year of new content for 1 cheap price? This just pushes us there faster. 

 

 

Its not a business monopoly but remember were not viewing if its good for business. Maybe so. But for the ART form of FILM, something you all better fucking LOVE, its a bad thing there is no argument. This is why we are angry. its bad for the ART FORM.  

Edited December 14, 2017 by Jay Hollywood

[WrathOfHan]

8 minutes ago, mredman said:

This is very bad. Why is this allowed then and not the ATT deal with Warner ?

A big chunk is pretty much monopoly imo

And what will happen to FOX titles now on Blu-Ray will they go OOP and what about FOX tv shows being releasedon Blu-Ray will that stop or will they function like Marvel, PiXAR does under Disney ?

Fox shows are rarely released on Blu to beging with  

[cheesypoofs]

40 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

As far as active franchises go:

 

Universal has Illumination, Dreamworks, Jurassic Park, Furious, basically every Blumhouse movie, and DARK UNIVERSE (ok maybe not that one); Mortal Engines could be another franchise for them

WB has DC, Potter, Conjuring, LEGO, and Godzilla/Kong

Paramount has MI, Star Trek, Transformers, xXx, and Spongebob

Sony has Spider-Man with the potential for Jumanji to continue (can't forget about EMOJI either)

After this deal, Disney will have all other Marvel avenues, SW, WDAS/Pixar, Avatar, Alien, Kingsman, and Hercule Poirot/Agatha Christie with the potential for Alita to be a franchise (if it doesn't bomb like GITS/Valerian)

 

The only major franchises Disney is absorbing from Fox are X-Men/F4 and Avatar. Kingsman and Poirot are merely solid performers, and Alien has one movie left in it with a slimmed down budget. It's still a bad deal for the industry because all those original, standalone films are being merged.

WB also has IT. Disney got planet of the apes too. 

[filmlover]

1 minute ago, cheesypoofs said:

WB also has IT.

There's only going to be two of those movies.

[mredman]

3 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

Fox shows are rarely released on Blu to beging with  

AHS, VIKINGS and HOMELAND are still being released. But what will happen to them after this now. Will they continue release them as FOX COMPANY just under Disney like MCU and PIXAR

[mredman]

8 minutes ago, cheesypoofs said:

WB also has IT. Disney got planet of the apes too. 

and Game of Thrones and all of HBO productions. I think Warner will create a franchise out of IT. There could be more worlds explored with this. Just like Conjuring franchise

Edited December 14, 2017 by mredman