wboxoffice Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I don't know if he has yet, but the way things are going it's only a matter of time... Dwayne is on a such a roll and bringing out movie after movie... After he's done, he's going to probably pass Eddie Murphy, Will Smith, Denzel Washington, etc. in terms of being the box office king for black actors... Who would have thought this 5 years ago? (I don't count someone like Samuel L. Jackson because he's mostly in supporting roles). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 No. F&F movies dont count, its a big cast that worked before he joined the franchise Will could have smash hits on his name so far dwayne only has jumanji (which is a reboot of a smash hit anyway) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatree Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 not sure why this warranted its own thread. The answer is no btw. it's just more noticeable now because we don't have many "stars" that draw audiences. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 In a word... no Will Smith was huge. Adjust some of his hits. ID4 is bigger than any marvel movie 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Rambo Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 A big no. Hes definitely a draw but definitely not as big as Will in his prime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The thing about Smith is that he could sell anything. There was a time where for about a decade almost any film he was in was gold at the box office. Dwayne isn't there yet. Maybe he will be one day but right now, he's nowhere near Smith in that capacity. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) Dwayne's success is outstanding in every way but he isn't Will who made better, more memorable/relevant movies, not to mention across many genres, in his heyday and also had the ultimate star power hit in IAL (spent almost the whole movie alone on the screen, with only a dog as a companion). I wouldn't compare Dwayne with Arnie either (though the muscle bound action hero role well) because Arnie also had some cinema classics on his resume which Dwayne doesn't. Edited April 23, 2018 by Valonqar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycaul Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Can Johnson make even Wild Wild West a top 20 film for the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 hours ago, harrycaul said: Can Johnson make even Wild Wild West a top 20 film for the year? But that was only because it opened on Will's name. It still had a 4X but it was certainly not one of his best received films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmlover Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, baumer said: It still had a 4X but it was certainly not one of his best received films. To be fair, Wild Wild West opened on a Wednesday (and the weekend was a 4-day frame). Had it opened on a Friday and a traditional 3-day frame, its multiplier would've been much smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, wboxoffice said: Dwayne is on a such a roll and bringing out movie after movie... After he's done, he's going to probably pass Eddie Murphy, Will Smith, Denzel Washington, etc. in terms of being the box office king for black actors... Who would have thought this 5 years ago? Not sure if it is that close of Smith prime it is just a different era, Will Smith was doing stuff like that on non sequel entry 2 3 I Am Legend WB $256,393,010 3,648 $77,211,321 3,606 12/14/07 3 5 Hancock Sony $227,946,274 3,965 $62,603,879 3,965 7/2/08 5 11 I, Robot Fox $144,801,023 3,494 $52,179,887 3,420 7/16/04 7 4 Men in Black Sony $250,690,539 3,180 $51,068,455 3,020 7/2/97 8 2 Independence Day Fox $306,169,268 2,977 $50,228,264 2,882 7/3/96 11 7 Hitch Sony $179,495,555 3,575 $43,142,214 3,575 2/11/05 12 13 Wild Wild West WB $113,804,681 3,342 $27,687,484 3,342 6/30/99 Wild Wild West was seen has a major flop back in the days, it opened at 41.34m in 2018 US dollar, with just 3,330 theater and pure normal 2d ticketing. I am legend was around 93m OW in 2018 dollar with just 3,600 theater and no 3D.... Without adjusting for ticket price, 3d, theater count, just by dollar, look at those opening weekend in 2018 $: I am legend: 93m I-Day: 79.89m Men in black: 79.3m Hancock: 72.56m I robot: 68.93m Hitch: 55.12m WWW: 41.43m They look like the non-avengers MCU numbers.... DiCaprio/Nolan together on Inception did 71.85m, the only time DiCaprio went over 55m in 2018$ dollar OW in is career, Will Smith did it 7 times. Johnson biggest non-sequel/remake live action openning in 2018 dollar San Andreas: 54.5m Central Intelligence: 37m Rampage: 36m Hercules : 31m Race to witch mountain: 27.92 Game plan: 27.6m Run Down: 25.16m Pain&Gain: 21.64m ------- Great obviously, but a clear lower tier than prime Smith. He was pushing movies like Hitch and Pursuit of Happiness above 200m adjusted, Johnson never came close to do anything like that, no one really is right one. To give a sense of how big he was, Puirsuit of Happiness made 400m in revenues from a 50m budget Hancock made 660m in revenues on a 166m budget, Smith was probably paid over 100m on that one (the talent bonus paid by the studio was around 113m). Just a different era, and Eddie Murphy was also ridiculously big. Will Smith international metric are some of the best of all time, if not the best: Awareness: Smith, Will Australia 0.98 Smith, Will Brazil 0.98 Smith, Will France 0.99 Smith, Will Germany 0.98 Smith, Will Italy 0.966169154 Smith, Will Japan 0.90029615 Smith, Will Korea 0.942439996 Smith, Will Mexico 0.99 Smith, Will Russia 0.96829689 Smith, Will Spain 0.99 Smith, Will UK 0.99 Smith, Will Int'l Average 0.970654745 Fan among aware: .77 That a ridiculous .75 international score (awareness * popularity among aware). Eddy Murphy: Murphy, Eddie Australia 0.979062812 Murphy, Eddie Brazil 0.993 Murphy, Eddie France 0.980059821 Murphy, Eddie Germany 0.983050847 Murphy, Eddie Italy 0.984031936 Murphy, Eddie Japan 0.927 Murphy, Eddie Korea Murphy, Eddie Mexico 0.984047856 Murphy, Eddie Russia Murphy, Eddie Spain 0.983084577 Murphy, Eddie UK 0.982 Murphy, Eddie Int'l Average 0.977259761 Fan among aware .65 Dwayne Johnson in 2012: Johnson, Dwayne Australia 0.87 Johnson, Dwayne Brazil 0.92 Johnson, Dwayne France 0.57 Johnson, Dwayne Germany 0.79 Johnson, Dwayne Italy 0.689163498 Johnson, Dwayne Japan 0.24 Johnson, Dwayne Korea Johnson, Dwayne Mexico 0.94 Johnson, Dwayne Russia Johnson, Dwayne Spain 0.812202097 Johnson, Dwayne UK 0.82 Johnson, Dwayne Int'l Average 0.739040622 Fan among aware: .49 Every time a make a list of "do you know how rare it is for a non-horror live action without a strong IP movie to do something ?", like talking about Rampage chance of doing less than 40m OW. A ridiculous percentage of the movies that will have achieved to do it are Will Smith movies. Edited April 23, 2018 by Barnack 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) Imagine dwayne making a movie like pursuit? it'd gross 50m at best Back to Will, why did hs suddenly lose his star power tho?? it happened all of a sudden after MIB3. did his son curse him with that bomb movie they made? Edited April 23, 2018 by TombRaider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) Absolutely not. Smith starred in a 12 year, 15 movie streak where literally only two of those didn't turn to pure gold at the box office. The other 13 adjust between 200-650m DOM, and were all just as big or bigger than that OS as well. And we're talking about movies across all kinds of genres: oscar bait drama, action, sci-fi, western, rom-com, buddy comedy, horror, superhero, political thriller, animation, you name it. More importantly, all of said films would have been lucky to do half as much without him. The Rock on the other hand has Jumanji and a handful of other 100-150m grossers outside of the Fast franchise (which has nothing to do with him in terms of success). Jumanji was also very much a team effort type of movie, I don't think it was any one between the four that drew audiences way more. They all stood out, Jack Black arguably more than The Rock. Rampage proves to me that The Rock can't take any concept to the bank on his own. It looked too dumb in the marketing for mass appeal, and it ended up opening poorly. Now granted it's having good WOM, but it should have opened to about twice as much if The Rock was such a draw right now. He's not even close to Smith level, and it would take like half a dozen 200m+ hits in a row that he stars in (not just supporting like Fast) before we could even begin to discuss it. Edited April 23, 2018 by MovieMan89 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, TombRaider said: Imagine dwayne making a movie like pursuit? it'd gross 50m at best Probably true but that is not 100% fair too, Johnson physic make it almost impossible to portray a character like that. 18 minutes ago, TombRaider said: Back to Will, why did hs suddenly lose his star power tho?? The way Suicide Squad and Focus played Internationally it show there is some left in there (even collateral beauty in some market) and it is always easy to over-analyse and be wrong, but I am not sure about sudden. After Earth / Winter tale combo could have caused it or just be the symptom. http://www.metacritic.com/person/will-smith There is no movie starring Will Smith in the green since 2007. I think it is mostly simply that, combined with the franchisation of the box office of the type of movies he was often doing is biggest buck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGlass2 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, TombRaider said: No. F&F movies dont count, its a big cast that worked before he joined the franchise Dwayne is Franchise Viagra. The last movie star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It's no secret why Smith came crashing down off the pedestal: he started doing shitty movies. Seven Pounds, After Earth, Focus, Suicide Squad, Collateral Beauty... I mean my goodness, that kind of filmography streak would kill anyone's draw power. Hancock is what started all the sub-par films, but the GA were so into him at the time they gave him a pass on it and it still turned out big numbers anyway. But you can't be in movies like that very long and expect the GA in masse to look past it. After Earth was basically the death blow to his appeal. He would have made something decent like Concussion a huge hit if it didn't come after so many misfires when he had lost all his draw power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlborn Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 He isn't anywhere as big as the big ones were at their peak but he's the only big star we actually have at the moment, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said: The last movie star. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Arlborn said: He isn't anywhere as big as the big ones were at their peak but he's the only big star we actually have at the moment, sadly. The Rock doesn't have the draw power Leo's pinky does if we're talking about most draw power currently. I'd also say Denzel still has more pure draw power, he just never does the kinds of films that would gross 200m+. RDJ probably still has a huge amount of inherent draw power if he ever did anything outside of MCU these days for us to know for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlborn Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, MovieMan89 said: The Rock doesn't have the draw power Leo's pinky does if we're talking about most draw power currently. I'd also say Denzel still has more pure draw power, he just never does the kinds of films that would gross 200m+. RDJ probably still has a huge amount of inherent draw power if he ever did anything outside of MCU these days for us to know for sure. Denzel is a reliable draw up to a point only. 3 minutes ago, Barnack said: He hasn't been very active lately. I thought of him but his next projects don't even look very commercial. We'll see I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
