HAN SOLO MEMORIAL (day weekend) THREAD | Solo Flops Domestically with 83M/101M weekend. Spectacularly Bombs Overseas with 65M weekend.

[Zakiyyah6]

2 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

Yeah, spinning is getting ridiculous. Solo was not expected to bomb like a little bitch in SW-friendly markets. We knew it would bomb where SW never had support an where TFA did well only due to hype (that didn't hold for RO and TLJ). But we didn't expect it to collapse in traditional markets. Likewise, saying that Solo boxoffice looks bad only because TFA and RO overperfomed is just . Solo's boxoffice is bad no matter how other movies did. It's way too expensive and boxoffice is dismal. OS numbers are embarrassing, not just bad, embarrassing. Dom OW is way below the lowest tracking numbers. There's no shame in calling a bomb bomb. It's a wake up call for the studio to get their shit together. Simple.  

Agreed 100%.

 

I do look at it as a wake up call. All is not even remotely lost but LF/Disney needed a hard wake up call and they are getting one.

[GirafficPark]

3 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

Wow, I couldn't disagree more with most of what you said. You can't put TLJ in some vacuum where TFA didn't make $2b WW just to say that's why it doesn't look as good. The fact is TFA did make that much and TLJ was the direct sequel. It should not have dropped off as huge as it did. A dropoff was inevitable, but a big one should have been easily avoided if it had delivered. As for Solo looking bad, lmao if you think it has anything to do with previous SW films. It'sa  250m budgeted movie that won't touch 500 WW. It just looks bad all on its own, period.

 

As for TFA not providing a compelling story or making you hunger for more, huh? TFA's plot points and questions were all you heard about in pop culture discussions for two years. It drove TLJ to a massive 220m OW. Fans and most of the GA were extremely eager to know the answers to some of TFA's setups. The movie also had the best multi of any film to ever open to 100+ at the time, so not sure how exactly it managed that kind of WOM without being compelling.

 

I agree with you RO was a beneficiary of the TFA hype and goodwill, but you'll note my usage of the word goodwill since that's mainly what it was at that point. Not just mindless hype. 

That still doesnt address that Solo isnt part of an ongoing story. How do you account for it STILL being able to gross around the level of Winter Soldier? A movie thats a pretty central part of the MCU.

 

EP8 dropped in the same ballpark as Ep2 and 5. If ANH was SOO loved why did Empire drop just as hard?

Edited May 26, 2018 by GirafficPark

[WrathOfHan]

June predictions:

 

Adrift: 10/25

Action Point: 4.5/10

Upgrade: 4/10

 

Ocean's 8: 33/100

Hereditary: 9/25

Hotel Artemis: 7/17

 

Incredibles 2: 150/530

Tag: 15/50

SuperFly: 5/10

 

Jurassic World: 135/350
 

Sicario: 22/70

Uncle Drew: 17/45

 

Christ, this is going to be a lame month to track outside of a few movies  

[water]

tlj flopped because it spat on tfa. that's it. tfa was so popular because people loved finn, rey, and poe. tlj sidelined, abused, and mischaracterized all three of them. no one wanted to see that.

[Water Bottle]

1 minute ago, water said:

tlj flopped because it spat on tfa. that's it. tfa was so popular because people loved finn, rey, and poe. tlj sidelined, abused, and mischaracterized all three of them. no one wanted to see that.

TLJ did not flop. At all. Not even close. It disappointed some members because it didn't meet their predictions. But it didn't flop. It was still a success.

[Alli]

1 minute ago, WrathOfHan said:

June predictions:

 

 

 

 

Jurassic World: 135/350
 

 

 

Christ, this is going to be a lame month to track outside of a few movies  

  I don't see the drop from the first one being that huge. It would be funny if it happens tho

[PPZVGOS]

11 minutes ago, GirafficPark said:

TLJ and Solo only look bad because TFA and RO over performed. I doubt Disney expected RO to do as well as it did, or TFA.

 

TFA filled a hole for many sure, but it wasn't exactly a compelling story, and didnt make you hunger for more. RO benefited from the hype left in TFA wake. By the time TLJ came round the hype had well and truly burned off and Solo is now just behaving like a SW story thats non-essential. Remember its not even like a Marvel 'solo' movie in that it doesn't tie in to the grander, forward moving story in any way. Despite that its still going to take more than 6 and possibly 7 MCU movies

You are trying desperately to sugarcoat a disaster. 

 

I think that TFA & RO succeeded because they were good movies. The Last Jedi did in fact ride the goodwill left over by the previous two films as its gigantic OW clearly indicates. 

 

Then, once people realized the degree of The Last Jedi's suckness, things started going downhill. First with TLJ's bad legs and now with Solo's appalling OW and certain failure. 

[GirafficPark]

1 minute ago, water said:

tlj flopped because it spat on tfa. that's it. tfa was so popular because people loved finn, rey, and poe. tlj sidelined, abused, and mischaracterized all three of them. no one wanted to see that.

How do you mischaracterise characters that had such 2D characterisation?

[John Marston]

According to the international thread, and this is a huge shock, Solo could

potentially fall below 200m overseas

 

 

That would be under Paddington 2, Tomb Raider, Peter Rabbit, Maze Runner 3, Pacific Rim 2, and Fifty Shades Freed just to name some films from earlier this year. 

 

 

Andits sub 200m. Nothing more to be said 

[Water Bottle]

1 minute ago, GirafficPark said:

How do you mischaracterise characters that had such 2D characterisation?

 

Let's not repeat specific TLJ criticsms okay. We've spent months on that. 

[GirafficPark]

Just now, PPZVGOS said:

You are trying desperately to sugarcoat a disaster. 

 

I think that TFA & RO succeeded because they were good movies. The Last Jedi did in fact ride the goodwill left over by the previous two films as its gigantic OW clearly indicates. 

 

Then, once people realized the degree of The Last Jedi's suckness, things started going downhill. First with TLJ's bad legs and now with Solo's appalling OW and certain failure. 

Solo is a failure, because it cost too much. Disney got over confident I guess. I dont think its a failure of a movie though.

[WrathOfHan]

4 minutes ago, water said:

tlj flopped because it spat on tfa. that's it. tfa was so popular because people loved finn, rey, and poe. tlj sidelined, abused, and mischaracterized all three of them. no one wanted to see that.

This is a new complaint lmao

[That One Girl]

Adrift - 10/28

Action Point - 8/19

Upgrade - 5/15

Ocean's 8 - 50/175

Hereditary - 11/31

Hotel Artemis - 8/20

Incredibles 2 - 135/410

Tag - 18/60

Superfly - 6/15

Jurassic World - 195/507

Sicario - 23/67

Uncle Drew - 27/86

[Valonqar]

1 minute ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

Agreed 100%.

 

I do look at it as a wake up call. All is not even remotely lost but LF/Disney needed a hard wake up call and they are getting one.

yep, they need a plan. This is happening because they had no plan. They even boast about having no plan for ST, that any director can take the story where they see fit (as long as KK is OK with their ideas). Similar to what DCEU did. No plan in place but desire to achieve what MCU did overnight. That's not how the Force works. 

 

Everyone wants to be MCU even when they don't follow MCU model of shared universe (introduce characters in individual movies first and then put them in a team movie). SW wants to have Saga sequel + spin-offs that have no connection with ST without a plan where ST is going or why they are choosing those particular spin-offs outside of milking nostalgia. That was bound to backfire real soon and it did. similar to how DCEU jumped into team movies without a proper intro for the characters or any plan why those particular characters. 

[WrathOfHan]

I have no clue how Hereditary is going to do with no marketing on TV (it still hasn't aired any ads). Social media buzz can only get you so far on its own.

[MovieMan89]

9 minutes ago, GirafficPark said:

That still doesnt address that Solo isnt part of an ongoing story. How do you account for it STILL being able to gross around the level of Winter Soldier? A movie thats a pretty central part of the MCU.

 

EP8 dropped in the same ballpark as Ep2 and 5. If ANH was SOO loved why did Empire drop just as hard?

Yeah, not sure what kind of math you're running here, but Solo is very much on track to gross sub 450m WW. Winter Solider made nearly 300m more than that, so that (very bizarre) comparison is null and void. 

 

ESB did not drop in the same ballpark as TLJ. ANH had a re-release about a year after its first release where it added quite a bit more. Take their first runs and the drop is more in the 20% ballpark. It should also be noted that sequels and franchises were not a thing when ESB came out, it was treading new territory. The only big budget sequels prior had been Bond movies and The Godfather II, the latter of which made only a fraction of the first. Audiences were not used to sequels yet. 

 

AOTC did drop comparably to TLJ because TPM backlash had set in and AOTC's reception was poor. So anytime people use AOTC as a comparison to justify TLJ's drop, they're really really not helping their case. 

Edited May 26, 2018 by MovieMan89

[Water Bottle]

Just now, Valonqar said:

yep, they need a plan. This is happening because they had no plan. They even boast about having no plan for ST, that any director can take the story where they see fit (as long as KK is OK with their ideas). Similar to what DCEU did. No plan in place but desire to achieve what MCU did overnight. That's not how the Force works. 

 

Everyone wants to be MCU even when they don't follow MCU model of shared universe (introduce characters in individual movies first and then put them in a team movie). SW wants to have Saga sequel + spin-offs that have no connection with ST without a plan where ST is going or why they are choosing those particular spin-offs outside of milking nostalgia. That was bound to backfire real soon and it did. similar to how DCEU jumped into team movies without a proper intro for the characters or any plan why those particular characters. 

 

The OT had no plan either. The PT did. It's almost like having a plan doesn't mean it's going to be a success with fans and having no plan means it's not going to be a success.

[PPZVGOS]

4 minutes ago, GirafficPark said:

That still doesnt address that Solo isnt part of an ongoing story. How do you account for it STILL being able to gross around the level of Winter Soldier? A movie thats a pretty central part of the MCU.

 

EP8 dropped in the same ballpark as Ep2 and 5. If ANH was SOO loved why did Empire drop just as hard?

Box-office was a different beast back in the late 70s. Moreover, Empire did not fall as much as TLJ did. The original Star Wars film had multiple releases something that TESB did not since the VCR came into play by the early 80s. 

[Valonqar]

2 minutes ago, Water Bottle said:

 

The OT had no plan either. The PT did. It's almost like having a plan doesn't mean it's going to be a success with fans and having no plan means it's not going to be a success.

Cue this clusterfuck:

 

 

 

"I always knew"

Edited May 26, 2018 by Valonqar

[Franklin808]

2 minutes ago, PPZVGOS said:

You are trying desperately to sugarcoat a disaster. 

 

I think that TFA & RO succeeded because they were good movies. The Last Jedi did in fact ride the goodwill left over by the previous two films as its gigantic OW clearly indicates. 

 

Then, once people realized the degree of The Last Jedi's suckness, things started going downhill. First with TLJ's bad legs and now with Solo's appalling OW and certain failure. 

I remember when conventional wisdom for sequels was that they generally took off right out of the box because people wanted to see whats next before spoilers got out and then dropped off much faster. Isnt that really what happened with TLJ opening weekend. The people that really cared after TFA got out and saw it right away. The people that saw TFA because it was 1st Star Wars in 10 years didnt rush out and maybe ever were like OK dont need to see this will wait for video.