Thor: Love and Thunder | July 8, 2022 | Directed by Oscar Winner Taika Waititi | Ninth most profitable movie of 2022

[Valonqar]

1 hour ago, keysersoze123 said:

Ragnarok had many hooks. It had hulk playing a significant role after previous Avengers movie and Raganrok story line is so big from Norse mythology aspect as well. So it was not just the taika factor that took it to next level. 

 

Agreed but the post I commented on specifically worried that the same colorful fun tone could backfire, and I disagreed with that. It didn't backfire first time around when it wasn't novel due to other 2 movies starting the trend. So we are in agreement that it takes more than just colors and fun. Hook, famous story (though Thor Ragnarok hardly resembles the myhtological Ragnarok), Hulk, etc played a big part. 

[keysersoze123]

13 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

 

Agreed but the post I commented on specifically worried that the same colorful fun tone could backfire, and I disagreed with that. It didn't backfire first time around when it wasn't novel due to other 2 movies starting the trend. So we are in agreement that it takes more than just colors and fun. Hook, famous story (though Thor Ragnarok hardly resembles the myhtological Ragnarok), Hulk, etc played a big part. 

I agree with that as well. That is not a factor at all. 

[Juan Caballo]

First Reactions on Brazil seem pretty negative. 

 

Brazilians are on doom and gloom mode already. I even saw a Marvel shill, without having seen it, saying he's tired of the MCU and Phase 4. Based on 1st reactions. 

[divesyn]

28 minutes ago, Juan Caballo said:

First Reactions on Brazil seem pretty negative. 

 

Brazilians are on doom and gloom mode already. I even saw a Marvel shill, without having seen it, saying he's tired of the MCU and Phase 4. Based on 1st reactions. 

Brazilians don't tend to like this type of humour, reactions about Ragnarok were the same as L&T

Don't think it reflects the general audience as MoM did pretty well here

But yeah brazilians are going crazy over anything these days, it's been annoying.

Edited July 5, 2022 by divesyn

[ThomasNicole]

30 minutes ago, Juan Caballo said:

First Reactions on Brazil seem pretty negative. 

 

Brazilians are on doom and gloom mode already. I even saw a Marvel shill, without having seen it, saying he's tired of the MCU and Phase 4. Based on 1st reactions. 

Don´t worry, i live here and they just really dislike this type of humour.

 

Ragnarok was even worse tbh

[ThomasNicole]

Maybe that´s why MCU spent so many years making so polished movies that don´t offend anyone. 

 

They did a slighty more slow movie with a bit more philosophy on Eternals and people hated;

 

Then DS2 have a fun bit of trashy horror influences and people was very divided with some even complaining that PG-13 is too little for it lol;

 

Now Thor 4 with it´s very absurd humor [apparently] which is something that already was a bit of a problem with Ragnarok in some places.

 

Not that these movies doesn´t have issues, they have a lot, but i mean they´re not really worse than many MCU titles that always get a pass, so my bet is really that injecting more personality in them is making Marvel audience to split in their personal tastes.

 

 

[Mr Terrific]

Some critics have roasted MCU movies as bland and formulaic. Now that there is some clear divergence I wonder if those specific critics will note that. 
(Spoiler: No.)

Edited July 5, 2022 by Mr Terrific

[interiorgatordecorator]

will reviews just pop up at midnight today?

 

[Menor the Destroyer]

10 minutes ago, interiorgatordecorator said:

will reviews just pop up at midnight today?

 

Tomorrow morning, I think 8am Eastern. 

[Rebeccas]

40 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

Maybe that´s why MCU spent so many years making so polished movies that don´t offend anyone. 

 

They did a slighty more slow movie with a bit more philosophy on Eternals and people hated;

 

Then DS2 have a fun bit of trashy horror influences and people was very divided with some even complaining that PG-13 is too little for it lol;

 

Now Thor 4 with it´s very absurd humor [apparently] which is something that already was a bit of a problem with Ragnarok in some places.

 

Not that these movies doesn´t have issues, they have a lot, but i mean they´re not really worse than many MCU titles that always get a pass, so my bet is really that injecting more personality in them is making Marvel audience to split in their personal tastes.

 

 

 

Yeah it says a lot that the MCU director with the best RT average over 2+ films is.. Jon Watts. Who has absolutely no real distinguishing style, tone or anything. 

[Menor the Destroyer]

There is a lot of premature postmortem here?  I think L&T is gonna have normal good MCU reception. 

[ThomasNicole]

19 minutes ago, Rebeccas said:

 

Yeah it says a lot that the MCU director with the best RT average over 2+ films is.. Jon Watts. Who has absolutely no real distinguishing style, tone or anything. 

I'll never understand this. I didn't hate any of his SM movies but they all look the same, feel the same and just blend together in my memory. Dude really have no distinct personality (in MCU at least) and still he have 3 movies with +90% and beyond that, strong audience reception. 

 

Personally i don't see how Far From Home can be worse than DS2, they both have absolutely ridiculous plot points. But only one trully have some distinct style and tone, and obviously is the one that people was mixed about.

[ThomasNicole]

16 minutes ago, Menor Reborn said:

There is a lot of premature postmortem here?  I think L&T is gonna have normal good MCU reception. 

I think that too, it's just based on where i live. 

 

Social media reception here is not very far from Eternals for example. Korea also was bad iirc.

 

I doubt it will be a problem in US with this movie, but in a more broad discussion, i think my point of MCU audience starting to split in their personal tastes because now the movies differentiate more is fair. 

 

And tbh it's not really a problem to me, you can't keep pleasing everyone.

[Menor the Destroyer]

7 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

I think that too, it's just based on where i live. 

 

Social media reception here is not very far from Eternals for example. Korea also was bad iirc.

 

I doubt it will be a problem in US with this movie, but in a more broad discussion, i think my point of MCU audience starting to split in their personal tastes because now the movies differentiate more is fair. 

 

And tbh it's not really a problem to me, you can't keep pleasing everyone.

 

12 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

I'll never understand this. I didn't hate any of his SM movies but they all look the same, feel the same and just blend together in my memory. Dude really have no distinct personality (in MCU at least) and still he have 3 movies with +90% and beyond that, strong audience reception. 

 

Personally i don't see how Far From Home can be worse than DS2, they both have absolutely ridiculous plot points. But only one trully have some distinct style and tone, and obviously is the one that people was mixed about.

I was more basing my comment off of what you said that Ragnarok was also poorly received in Brazil. I will only be worried if the reception is a lot worse than Ragnarok (am expecting it to be a little worse).

 

 On Watts, as someone who greatly enjoys his Spidey movies I guess it just doesn't matter much to me if the director has a distinct style when I'm enjoying the movie a lot as a whole. As for FFH, I didn't find the plot points that people usually take issue with to be a big deal, whereas stuff like Wanda's storyline in DS2 really bothered me. The more unique Raimi moments actually helped the movie for me, but it wasn't enough to make up for how much I disliked the script.

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

I like the Watts movies, but they're just not visually appealing whatsoever. Especially compared to what Raimi did and what the genre is capable of. The compositions are thoughtless, most of the editing rhythmless, no color grade or blocking that visualizes the importance of every scene, genuine lack of key lighting. NWH, for example, should have incorporated a wider, more cinematic aspect ratio. And half dozen scenes take place at night with poor lighting to hide the VFX or in the most nondescript locations without any set direction. Basically porno rooms.

 

Film is a visual medium after all, these movies cost 200 millions of dollars, VFX and CGI have reached unprecedented levels. These movies should have style, they're based off stylistic pop art

[ThomasNicole]

1 minute ago, Menor Reborn said:

 

I was more basing my comment off of what you said that Ragnarok was also poorly received in Brazil. I will only be worried if the reception is a lot worse than Ragnarok (am expecting it to be a little worse).

 

 On Watts, as someone who greatly enjoys his Spidey movies I guess it just doesn't matter much to me if the director has a distinct style when I'm enjoying the movie a lot as a whole. As for FFH, I didn't find the plot points that people usually take issue with to be a big deal, whereas stuff like Wanda's storyline in DS2 really bothered me. The more unique Raimi moments actually helped the movie for me, but it wasn't enough to make up for how much I disliked the script.

Oh i see. Well i don't think is worse than Ragnarok here, it doesn't even have room for that without entering in a big trouble area of hate. Seems similar to me, it was even kinda funny back in 2017 seeing all the raves in US / Europe and the flood of 3/5 or less here in BR, i think the difference will be less brutal this time.

 

What could be worrysome is if audiences here dislike, with Ragnarok i think the action etc made up the jokes and people ended up liking it, let's see if with even more weird jokes people will keep engaged. We should know in a few days, we're usually very passionate about things and make sure to express that loudly.

 

We are completely in opposites with FFH and DS2 tho, i still hate the whole Mysterio plot while i was so tired of seeing Wanda suffering that i really find engaging seeing her in a Terminator mode, it was fun at least imo, but i understand her plot is indeed tricky since WV is pretty much the opposite and with actually good development.

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

1 hour ago, ThomasNicole said:

Maybe that´s why MCU spent so many years making so polished movies that don´t offend anyone. 

 

They did a slighty more slow movie with a bit more philosophy on Eternals and people hated;

 

Then DS2 have a fun bit of trashy horror influences and people was very divided with some even complaining that PG-13 is too little for it lol;

 

Now Thor 4 with it´s very absurd humor [apparently] which is something that already was a bit of a problem with Ragnarok in some places.

 

Not that these movies doesn´t have issues, they have a lot, but i mean they´re not really worse than many MCU titles that always get a pass, so my bet is really that injecting more personality in them is making Marvel audience to split in their personal tastes.

 

 

You're right. Marvel has gotten way more "creative" and "risky" now since the Infinity Saga is over and that is probably alienating or throwing people off because they grew accustomed to the overall style and logistics of the previous decade. The reason I personally haven't loved an MCU as much since Endgame (I do like NWH) is because the feeling of closure and catharsis it provided. It truly felt definitive. And I'm sure it was for so many people, even those who weren't as devoted because every movie still felt like it was part of the plan and building towards something and belonged in the universe. Even a Winter Soldier or Guardians or Black Panther or Ant-Man (for most part) had actual world-building and momentum towards an overall goal. There's the obvious multiverse strand happening, but Phase 4 has been aimless IMO. While I do love solo movies being their own things tonally, some of these movies have felt more.. inconsequential? And that might be an issue because there's preconceived expectations and standards when it comes to the actual MCU. Now we're introduced to a new show every few months which is even more to keep track of. The Infinity Saga films were given more of a benefit of doubt?

 

Eternals was a very ponderous and heavy scifi MCU that didn't fit nicely into the timeline or is broadly crowdpleasing. Dr. Strange was a messy horror with Raimi camp that didn't live up to what fans assumed following the nostalgia NWH had. I thought a Thor movie with the Guardians post Ragnarok/IW/Endgame would be huge but.. maybe it just seems like another goofy Thor movie than an event?

 

I guess Shang-Chi is the exception so far?

[Pinacolada]

13 minutes ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

You're right. Marvel has gotten way more "creative" and "risky" now since the Infinity Saga is over and that is probably alienating or throwing people off because they grew accustomed to the overall style and logistics of the previous decade. The reason I personally haven't loved an MCU as much since Endgame (I do like NWH) is because the feeling of closure and catharsis it provided. It truly felt definitive. And I'm sure it was for so many people, even those who weren't as devoted because every movie still felt like it was part of the plan and building towards something and belonged in the universe. Even a Winter Soldier or Guardians or Black Panther or Ant-Man (for most part) had actual world-building and momentum towards an overall goal. There's the obvious multiverse strand happening, but Phase 4 has been aimless IMO. While I do love solo movies being their own things tonally, some of these movies have felt more.. inconsequential? And that might be an issue because there's preconceived expectations and standards when it comes to the actual MCU. Now we're introduced to a new show every few months which is even more to keep track of. The Infinity Saga films were given more of a benefit of doubt?

 

Eternals was a very ponderous and heavy scifi MCU that didn't fit nicely into the timeline or is broadly crowdpleasing. Dr. Strange was a messy horror with Raimi camp that didn't live up to what fans assumed following the nostalgia NWH had. I thought a Thor movie with the Guardians post Ragnarok/IW/Endgame would be huge but.. maybe it just seems like another goofy Thor movie than an event?

 

I guess Shang-Chi is the exception so far?

Yeah this is exactly where I'm at. Love and Thunder doesn't feel like an event at all, and I'm gonna blame the marketing on that 

 

It just feels like another Thor movie (which is still good enough for like an $800m+ total lol). But I'm just not feeling it at all. And on the topic of the marketing. Releasing the first trailer 2 months before the movie comes out and the 2nd trailer like 3 weeks later is just stupid. Needs to be a longer rampup for a movie like this. Again, marketing it the way they did just gives off the feeling of "hey, here's another Thor movie"

[Cooper Legion]

With DS2 finishing at 411.x, we have:

SM1 407.x

CW 408.x

IM3 409.x

DS2 411.x

WW1 412.x

 

So if this movie must disappoint, at least it should have the decency to do 410.x and connect the CBM fragments 😛 

Edited July 5, 2022 by Legion and Thunder

[Factcheck]

1 hour ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

You're right. Marvel has gotten way more "creative" and "risky" now since the Infinity Saga is over and that is probably alienating or throwing people off because they grew accustomed to the overall style and logistics of the previous decade. The reason I personally haven't loved an MCU as much since Endgame (I do like NWH) is because the feeling of closure and catharsis it provided. It truly felt definitive. And I'm sure it was for so many people, even those who weren't as devoted because every movie still felt like it was part of the plan and building towards something and belonged in the universe. Even a Winter Soldier or Guardians or Black Panther or Ant-Man (for most part) had actual world-building and momentum towards an overall goal. There's the obvious multiverse strand happening, but Phase 4 has been aimless IMO. While I do love solo movies being their own things tonally, some of these movies have felt more.. inconsequential? And that might be an issue because there's preconceived expectations and standards when it comes to the actual MCU. Now we're introduced to a new show every few months which is even more to keep track of. The Infinity Saga films were given more of a benefit of doubt?

 

Eternals was a very ponderous and heavy scifi MCU that didn't fit nicely into the timeline or is broadly crowdpleasing. Dr. Strange was a messy horror with Raimi camp that didn't live up to what fans assumed following the nostalgia NWH had. I thought a Thor movie with the Guardians post Ragnarok/IW/Endgame would be huge but.. maybe it just seems like another goofy Thor movie than an event?

 

I guess Shang-Chi is the exception so far?

The thing is you can't build anything without projecting a face, phase 1-3 worked bcz they projected a face Tony Stark from the beginning