The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

[eddyxx]

39 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

No need to be bitter at a movie getting a Fresh. All indications that this isn't horrible. If it is entertaining, most critics will let it slide. Fresh will help it do a little better at least this weekend.

That top critics score is abysmal though and shows that its the bloggers bringing up the score.

[Lucas]

How some other capeshits were doing at this point (114 reviews) compared The Marvels at 58%. Threw in Aquaman 2 as well for good measure.

 

Aquaman 2, 100% (ended 101%)

Blue Beetle, 80% (ended 78%)

Guardians 3, 77% (ended 82%)

Shazam 2, 54% (ended 49%

Quantumania, 54% (ended 46%)

 

[Coneilg93]

They should just reboot it with the focus on X-Men and F4. 

[The GOAT]

We need further confirmation from Aquaman 2 if the genre is truly dead as I suspect

[Zakiyyah6]

The overseas numbers are not looking pretty so far. And unless you are a Christmas release like Aquaman only live action comic book movies with very good reviews like Wonder Woman, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 1, Black Panther, Avengers and the like have over 3.0 multipliers. Even with Endgame's help and better reviews Captain Marvel only managed a 2.76 multiplier. The truth is unless The Marvels does something unprecedented, the movie will be lucky to get a 2.6 multiplier and that's not good enough when we are talking a 40-55M opening weekend. 

[Sckathian]

Big issue for Disney is really 2024. Cap could be a difficult one, Thrunderbolts is a bit of a rogue element.

 

Thats a huge amount of money currently spinning on the table. Next three/four years for the MCU is a multi billion dollar investment. As a concept the MCU can have dud films which breakeven or make small losses, but they cannot have the scale of losses this is going to drive.

 

Leadership decisions will be based on confidence in the future, not the past.

[Hypercortical]

I don't understand how people get hyped for post-credit scenes any more. When was the last good post credit scene? When was the last time we got payoff on a post credit scene? 

[Mojoguy]

6 minutes ago, Lucas said:

How some other capeshits were doing at this point (114 reviews) compared The Marvels at 58%. Threw in Aquaman 2 as well for good measure.

 

Aquaman 2, 100% (ended 101%)

Blue Beetle, 80% (ended 78%)

Guardians 3, 77% (ended 82%)

Shazam 2, 54% (ended 49%

Quantumania, 54% (ended 46%)

 

We are in awe of your seeing into the future powers.

[WittyUsername]

2 hours ago, Hypercortical said:

yeah, that's exactly what i'm talking about. It doesn't work. A non-starter
Monica and Carol on the other hand... idk, Thorki has given me pause. 

Carol knew Monica since she was a child. 

[DInky]

2 minutes ago, Sckathian said:

Big issue for Disney is really 2024. Cap could be a difficult one, Thrunderbolts is a bit of a rogue element.

 

Thats a huge amount of money currently spinning on the table. Next three/four years for the MCU is a multi billion dollar investment. As a concept the MCU can have dud films which breakeven or make small losses, but they cannot have the scale of losses this is going to drive.

 

Leadership decisions will be based on confidence in the future, not the past.

 

Thunderbolts is no longer coming out in 2024. Deadpool 3 might not make it either.

[Bob Train]

1 minute ago, Hypercortical said:

I don't understand how people get hyped for post-credit scenes any more. When was the last good post credit scene? When was the last time we got payoff on a post credit scene? 

FFH was the last MCU post-credit scene that got me remotely excited. Nowadays it feels like they are just throwing shit at the wall, doing a post-credit scene only because people expect them to.

[Johnny Tran]

52 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

No need to be bitter at a movie getting a Fresh. All indications that this isn't horrible. If it is entertaining, most critics will let it slide. Fresh will help it do a little better at least this weekend.

 

Any hope of a review bump is dead.  

[DInky]

1 minute ago, WittyUsername said:

Carol knew Monica since she was a child. 

 

And as I said, Monica still calls her "Auntie Carol". Then again, that's what makes it hot...

[eddyxx]

2 minutes ago, Hypercortical said:

I don't understand how people get hyped for post-credit scenes any more. When was the last good post credit scene? When was the last time we got payoff on a post credit scene? 

The Loki scene at the end of Quantamania 

[MovieMan89]

32 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

 

Anything that doesn't break even is a disaster, there are just degrees of disaster. Is it going to be unmitigated disaster (too far from break even point) or just a disaster (close to it but no cigar). Since budget reports peg it at between 220M and 250M after rebate, needs 550M-625M just to break even. TLM needed 625M but topped out at 570M so just a flop but not an unmitigated one. TM doesn't seem that "lucky" with sales this abysmal OS and 3 new movies next week including THG that targets spectacle and action crowd.

I have a better chance of earning $550-625M in my lifetime than The Marvels does at the box office. 

[BadOlCatSylvester]

I have a hunch Brave New World is going to go through some very extensive reshoots once the actors' strike ends, as it was hastily filmed during the initial writers' strike. As I've said before, the likes of Blade, Thunderbolts and/or Armor Wars could be canned entirely since they aren't filming.

[OncomingStorm93]

8 minutes ago, eddyxx said:

The Loki scene at the end of Quantamania 

That doesn't count. It's a scene from an different completed production just slapped on at the end. Much like the first Ant-Man having a scene straight out of Civil War.

[DInky]

6 minutes ago, OncomingStorm93 said:

That doesn't count. It's a scene from an different completed production just slapped on at the end. Much like the first Ant-Man having a scene straight out of Civil War.

 

So if we discount the Ms. Marvel post-credits scene (filmed for The Marvels) and the aforementioned Quantumania post-credits scene (scene from Loki S2) then the only post-Endgame post-credits scenes that have been paid off are from the end Black Widow (sets up Yelena vs Clint in Hawkeye) and both of the WandaVision scenes (Monica gets recruited by Nick Fury and Wanda messing with the Darkhold).

[GambitPool]

If Cap 4 is a team up film, then Marvel/Disney might seriously consider calling it Captain America: New Avengers. 

[DInky]

 

Savage.