The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

[Wombat]

15 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

Looking to end up around the Flash numbers, both RT score and boxoffice. Flash had a lead actor who was an abusive criminal and that film was part of a dead DCEU. This had way more going for it too. Weird.

 

It somewhat surprisingly appears to be paying for some of the sins of recent superhero movies in OS markets, even those that weren't Marvel projects. The admissions in France for opening day tracking near Blue Beetle and the mediocre to outright bad reception in South Korea and Hong Kong is a bad bellwether. 

[tdangie]

I'm more confident that its overall box office is gonna go under The Flash unless the overseas numbers really suprises me or if the Cinemascore turns out to be in the A range, which would be a pretty good WOM sign in the domestic market (right?)

[Mojoguy]

11 minutes ago, Wombat said:

 

It somewhat surprisingly appears to be paying for some of the sins of recent superhero movies in OS markets, even those that weren't Marvel projects. The admissions in France for opening day tracking near Blue Beetle and the mediocre to outright bad reception in South Korea and Hong Kong is a bad bellwether. 

2 MCU films flopping this year is shocking.

 

They were determined to put Deadpool 3 out on May because they needed a massive win to start the next year. Feige is probably pissed as hell the strikes have delayed it. Will likely have to move Cap 4, which will make much less, to May now.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Mojoguy

[Liiviig 1998]

62%.

[emoviefan]

12 minutes ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

62%.

Not the disaster we thought  it might be.  Better than Eternals and Quantam by a lot for now. But basically eh which will not get the fence sitters to come on board. Unless it gets get WOM and a A CS Ballad Of Songbirds and Snakes is going to kill it next week. 

[Arlborn]

1 hour ago, Belakor said:

What is the obsession with RT? BO wise it doesn't mean anything, if anything the audience score is more relevant.

RT watch has always been a thing in this forum, which I'm sure you are aware of. The conversation around it is actually a lot tamer nowadays than during the days of BVS, Suicide Squad, etc.

[scytheavatar]

1 hour ago, Mojoguy said:

Looking to end up around the Flash numbers, both RT score and boxoffice. Flash had a lead actor who was an abusive criminal and that film was part of a dead DCEU. This had way more going for it too. Weird.

 

The Flash numbers are so awful that you cannot simply explain them away with "LOL Miller is an abusive criminal"....... similarly The Marvels is tracking with numbers that should be impossible even if the film is an F cinemascore film. You would think there's still a proportion of the normies who will turn up just because it's a big budget superhero movie. That they are not is a sign that Hollywood and the cinema industry is in a much bigger trouble than people want to admit. 

[Liiviig 1998]

Funny, refreshingly brief, and elevated by the chemistry of its three leads, The Marvels is easy to enjoy in the moment despite its cluttered story and jumbled tonal shifts

 

RT consensus .

[Mojoguy]

6 minutes ago, emoviefan said:

Not the disaster we thought  it might be.  Better than Eternals and Quantam by a lot for now. But basically eh which will not get the fence sitters to come on board. Unless it gets get WOM and a A CS Ballad Of Songbirds and Snakes is going to kill it next week. 

Disney was stupid for holding onto reviews for so long. They aren't THAT bad. Should have lifted the review embargo a week ago to raise awareness.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Mojoguy

[Mojoguy]

3 minutes ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

Funny, refreshingly brief, and elevated by the chemistry of its three leads, The Marvels is easy to enjoy in the moment despite its cluttered story and jumbled tonal shifts

 

RT consensus .

MCU wins again

[YachtyLogs]

I think they're more of a mixed bag that the safer option would've been to release them a few days ago. I don't think a week would've helped too much, but they shouldn't have waited for the day before previews. 

[Welcbr12]

Right out of the gate from the movie, man this was a really fun time, movie have his flaws for sure, but the action it's good, the chemistry between the characters is really great, and for me FINALLY most of the humor lands (unlike Thor love and thunder and Quantumania) doesn't really deserve that Rotten score and It's a shame that it's going to be such a big failure, really enjoyed the movie. 

[Torontofan]

Who would have thought a 3 hour character study on Dr. Oppenhimer would handily outgross any Superhero movie this year.

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Torontofan

[Liiviig 1998]

3 minutes ago, Welcbr12 said:

Right out of the gate from the movie, man this was a really fun time, movie have his flaws for sure, but the action it's good, the chemistry between the characters is really great, and for me FINALLY most of the humor lands (unlike Thor love and thunder and Quantumania) doesn't really deserve that Rotten score and It's a shame that it's going to be such a big failure, really enjoyed the movie. 

62%

 

A- CS wouldn't  suprise me at this point  but it's bomb either way.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Liiviig 1998

[WorkingonaName]

14 minutes ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

Funny, refreshingly brief, and elevated by the chemistry of its three leads, The Marvels is easy to enjoy in the moment despite its cluttered story and jumbled tonal shifts

 

RT consensus .

Put that on the Blu-ray

[Bob Train]

Thinking B/B- Cinemascore. We will see.

[Deathlife]

27 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

Disney was stupid for holding onto reviews for so long. They aren't THAT bad. Should have lifted the review embargo a week ago to raise awareness.

 

Exactly this.

 

I thought it was going to get torn apart by critics but overall, it's been mixed but leaning positive.

 

Anyways, it's too late now. Disney are going to feel the affects of their own decisions.

[Hatebox]

I think the reception proves the release date of reviews wouldn’t have mattered either way. If anything Disney’s caginess made people think they’d be much worse, so you could say it was smart 

[Reed121]

22 minutes ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

62%

 

A- CS wouldn't  suprise me at this point  but it's bomb either way.

I thought it may get A- but the overseas audience scores look too poor for that and RT in the 60’s lines up with B+/B.

[John Marston]

10 minutes ago, Deathlife said:

 

Exactly this.

 

I thought it was going to get torn apart by critics but overall, it's been mixed but leaning positive.

 

Anyways, it's too late now. Disney are going to feel the affects of their own decisions.

 

if you read the “positive reviews” though most of them criticize all major aspects of the film but then just give the film a pass because they like the actresses or because “it’s fun”. The average moviegoer is not going to turn over their hard earned cash becuse bloggers are treating the film gently