The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)

[Goldenhour36]

45 minutes ago, Flopped said:

Based on these figures what do you predict for previews and the weekend? 

 

My guess would be around $1-$1.5M for the preview and $13-15M for the weekend

[grey ghost]

So is this opening over 125m for the 3-day?

 

[rehpyc]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is "MTC1", "MTC2", etc.?

[Dlund87]

I wish I knew how to understand these graphs better? Is there a forum where this is explained?

[Porthos]

20 minutes ago, rehpyc said:

Pardon my ignorance, but what is "MTC1", "MTC2", etc.?

 

Major Theater Chain 1/ Major Theater Chain 2/ etc.

 

[Austin]

I don't want to detract from this thread, but coming from the Weekend thread to this has been very refreshing.

 

We appreciate all the work you guys do for us! 😁

[Porthos]

11 minutes ago, Porthos said:

 

Major Theater Chain 1/ Major Theater Chain 2/ etc.

 

 

As for why they're used a few years back there was a major shitstorm on a precursor version of this thread where some internet rando got miffed/incredulous at the numbers that were being reported for an upcoming CBM and actually started pestering/badgering Senior Executives/Upper Management/Something Like That for one of the Major Theater Chains.

 

Enough of a shitstorm that it caused the very first version of this thread to get shut down and taken away among other unpleasantness.  

 

More to the story but that's the important trigger. Ever since then, MTC1/MTC2/MTC3 have been used by some folks in this thread to talk about pre-sales at various Major Theater Chains in the DOM market.  I personally am more than a bit agnostic on the usage, but I understand why its used by many here and when they decide to use them.

 

@rehpyc

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Porthos

[TheFlatLannister]

25 minutes ago, Dlund87 said:

I wish I knew how to understand these graphs better? Is there a forum where this is explained?

which graphs are you referring to? 

[Wesley]

2 hours ago, Eric 2099 said:

The Flash Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-16 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	98	1421	18907	7.52%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 40

 

Comp - T-16

0.305x of The Batman (6.58M)

0.906x of Jurassic World 3 (16.3M)

0.280x of Thor 4 (8.13M)

2.500x of Black Adam (18.98M)

0.841x of Avatar 2 (14.29M)

0.355x of Ant-Man 3 (6.22M)

0.454x of Guardians 3 (7.94M)

not bad at all 2.5x more than BA and close to JW3 and Avatar 2. 

[Deep Wang]

7 minutes ago, Porthos said:

 

As for why they're used a few years back there was a major shitstorm on a precursor version of this thread where some internet rando got miffed/incredulous at the numbers that were being reported for an upcoming CBM and actually started pestering/badgering Senior Executives/Upper Management/Something Like That for one of the Major Theater Chains.

 

Enough of a shitstorm that it caused the very first version of this thread to get shut down and taken away among other unpleasantness.  

 

More to the story but that's the important trigger. Ever since then, MTC1/MTC2/MTC3 have been used by some folks in this thread to talk about pre-sales at various Major Theater Chains in the DOM market.  I personally am more than a bit agnostic on the usage, but I understand why its used by many here and when they decide to use them.

 

@rehpyc

 

[Porthos]

6 minutes ago, Deep Wang said:

 

I admit The Incident did end up giving us one of the best user names on this forum (and lots of related hilarity from Secret Missives from said poster) so it did have a few silver linings. ❤️

[AMC Theaters Enjoyer]

I thought MTC1 and MTC2 were referring to individual days on the weekend, like Friday for 1, Saturday for 2, etc.

 

How I arrived to that conclusion, I don't know. 

Edited May 31, 2023 by AMC Theaters Enjoyer

[cooldude97]

asking some of the old guard compared to previous Transformers movies how pre-sale heavy vs walk ups were they?

[Tinalera]

51 minutes ago, TheFlatLannister said:

which graphs are you referring to? 

Just piggybacking off you here  If referring to the tables of things like seats sold, and percentages-for me the biggest thing is to look at the percentage, which tells the amount of seats sold vs total seat availablity. Where it can come in handy is comparing percentages from different movies around the same time IE say movie A and B are both comic book movies, movie A has 10 percent sold where movie B had 5 percent sold around same time. It COULD suggest that for (reasons) that movie A has more attention being paid to it by fans compared to B. Now the tables DO get more intricate depending on the poster, and really its just a matter of seeing the tables over time where the percentages vary. 

 

Im sure someone can do a LOT better explanation that I can, but thats it in a nutshell from my view

[Flamengo81]

1 hour ago, Porthos said:

 

As for why they're used a few years back there was a major shitstorm on a precursor version of this thread where some internet rando got miffed/incredulous at the numbers that were being reported for an upcoming CBM and actually started pestering/badgering Senior Executives/Upper Management/Something Like That for one of the Major Theater Chains.

 

Enough of a shitstorm that it caused the very first version of this thread to get shut down and taken away among other unpleasantness.  

 

More to the story but that's the important trigger. Ever since then, MTC1/MTC2/MTC3 have been used by some folks in this thread to talk about pre-sales at various Major Theater Chains in the DOM market.  I personally am more than a bit agnostic on the usage, but I understand why its used by many here and when they decide to use them.

 

@rehpyc

 

To this day I am still surprised by the lenghts some people go for the sake of stupidity.

[Tinalera]

Spideyverse 2

Thurs June 1 and Fri June 2

Toronto and Montreal Canada (T-2)

 

 

Toronto	# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Thurs	4	25	1687	5212	6899	0.2445
Fri	4	56	2418	12704	15122	0.1598
Montreal	# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Thurs	3	12	1056	2496	3552	0.2972
Fri	4	32	1037	8633	9670	0.1072

 

GOTG T-2

 

Toronto	# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Thurs	4	39	1979	6467	8446	0.2343
Fri	4	70	2035	15328	17363	0.1172
Montreal	# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Thurs	4	30	1184	7221	8405	0.1408
Fri	3	45	1071	12358	13429	0.0797

 

 

Total seat availability

 

	T T	T F	M T	M F
spideyv 2	6899	15122	3552	9670
gotg 3	8446	17363	8405	13429
diff	-1547	-2241	-4853	-3759

 

 

(TT- Toronto Thurs, TF Toronto Friday, MT Montreal Thurs, M F Montreal Fri)

[Boxofficerules]

1 hour ago, Porthos said:

 

As for why they're used a few years back there was a major shitstorm on a precursor version of this thread where some internet rando got miffed/incredulous at the numbers that were being reported for an upcoming CBM and actually started pestering/badgering Senior Executives/Upper Management/Something Like That for one of the Major Theater Chains.

 

Enough of a shitstorm that it caused the very first version of this thread to get shut down and taken away among other unpleasantness.  

 

More to the story but that's the important trigger. Ever since then, MTC1/MTC2/MTC3 have been used by some folks in this thread to talk about pre-sales at various Major Theater Chains in the DOM market.  I personally am more than a bit agnostic on the usage, but I understand why its used by many here and when they decide to use them.

 

@rehpyc

 

Wonder Woman!

[vafrow]

12 minutes ago, Tinalera said:

Spideyverse 2

Thurs June 1 and Fri June 2

Toronto and Montreal Canada (T-2)

 

 

Toronto	# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Thurs	4	25	1687	5212	6899	0.2445
Fri	4	56	2418	12704	15122	0.1598
Montreal	# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Thurs	3	12	1056	2496	3552	0.2972
Fri	4	32	1037	8633	9670	0.1072

 

GOTG T-2

 

Toronto	# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Thurs	4	39	1979	6467	8446	0.2343
Fri	4	70	2035	15328	17363	0.1172
Montreal	# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Thurs	4	30	1184	7221	8405	0.1408
Fri	3	45	1071	12358	13429	0.0797

 

 

Total seat availability

 

	T T	T F	M T	M F
spideyv 2	6899	15122	3552	9670
gotg 3	8446	17363	8405	13429
diff	-1547	-2241	-4853	-3759

 

 

(TT- Toronto Thurs, TF Toronto Friday, MT Montreal Thurs, M F Montreal Fri)

The contrast on the showtimes between this and GOTG3 is remarkable. It's remarkable how Cineplex has left money on the table by not allocating more showings.

 

What's funny is that I'm in Montreal for some work meetings. I was debating on blowing off a dinner tomorrow night with some colleagues to catch Spiderverse, but, the 7pm showing is basically sold out, minus the first two rows of an IMAX screen, and its the only screen showing. Meanwhile, there's 3 screens dedicated to Fast X.

[Mulder]

5 hours ago, Mulder said:

Back when I worked for a certain big theater chain in 2017, I got to see their summer forecast for 2017 and I knew it was going to be hilariously off. I imagine that problem has only gotten worse.

One funny hilariously off moment when I worked for said chain was a local manager thought Ghost in The Shell 2017 of all things was going to be huge so we had a ton of screenings for it....which ended up being mostly empty.

[Eric is Quiet]

5 hours ago, Mulder said:

Back when I worked for a certain big theater chain in 2017, I got to see their summer forecast for 2017 and I knew it was going to be hilariously off. I imagine that problem has only gotten worse.

This reminds me of a story @DAJK told. IIRC, when the movie Justice League was coming out, the theater chain he was at were betting big, in fairness due to tracking from the trades, but DAJK knew that his theater had to scale way back, because BOT showed the numbers weren't there. His boss said him and his knowledge saved the theater from losing tons of money that weekend.