THE LITTLE MERMAID WEEKEND THREAD

[TwoMisfits]

10 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

 

Um then how do you explain the Latinos (25%) and Asians (11%) showing up consistent with their population shares?

 

At the age skew of the movie, that's actually low for the blockbuster Asian normal turnout as well.  And Hispanics have overindexed much higher for recent young-skewing blockbusters (see Mario and Fast)...looking at the last blockbuster Disney movie (since Disney movies follow Disney more than anything else)...

 

"GOTG3 was 62% male dominant, with 58% between 18-34, and the largest deme being 25-34 at 31%. Updated diversity demos were 41% Caucasian, 26% Latino and Hispanic, 16% Black, & 17% Asian/other." (Deadline)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by TwoMisfits

[THUNDER BIRD]

7 minutes ago, Kon said:

However, it's interesting that Asian countries are rejecting so much the Disney Fairy Tale movie with a black female lead, since it doesn't happened with the previous Disney Fairy Tale movies.

I can tell for India, we didn't watch previous Disney Fairy Tale movies too, so we're consistent in that regard.

 

We watched Disney Animal Tales in The Jungle Book and The Lion King and Even Aladdin which basically looked like a Bollywood movie struggled because Disney didn't put any effort on it.

[grey ghost]

2 minutes ago, Boxx93 said:

So if reviews are bad... they are racist alt right trolls review bombing.

 

If reviews are good... they are bough Disney woke shill.

 

Fucking hell man, you can't win either way. Stop acting like petty children. If you like, you like it, if you don't, you don't. It's just another damn mediocre Live Action Disney movie, it's not worth the fight.

 

False equivalency. 

 

You're acting like review bombing is some crazy conspiracy theory.

 

Imdb literally had to change some of their rating system because of TLM.

[Krissykins]

15 minutes ago, Issac Newton said:

This is too much now. Anyone attacking Asian Countries for being turning down black lead should 1st see how they support Asian Film. Either give us our $100M Film or just stop speaking bullshit about Asia.

Racism should always be called out. 

[jedijake]

7 minutes ago, Kon said:

I don't think Asian countries owe audience to Hollywood at all. As you say, Americans doesn't seem so interested in Asian films either.

 

However, it's interesting that Asian countries are rejecting so much the Disney Fairy Tale movie with a black female lead, since it doesn't happened with the previous Disney Fairy Tale movies.

I think a big difference is that Hollywood DOES make movies that feature many or, in some cases, all Asian casts. And they are often big or popular. Asian movies don't get a lot of Western releases and that is likely mostly due to the language barrier. We can say that the same issue exists the other way around, but that would not account for how many American films are extremely popular in Asian nations. BUT that feels like a very different discussion. I think that what most of us are wondering is why TLM specifically is failing in Asian while other remakes have done very well. And with people citing specific online (or otherwise) comments and rants about Halle herself, one would have to deduce that she what who seems to be mostly about.

[kayumanggi]

17 minutes ago, THUNDER BIRD said:

It's extremely funny.

 

90% of Western knowledge about Indian cinema starts & ends with RRR and yet somehow we are to blame if we didn't watch one of their movie.

 

We just made Fast X a Hit in India when our own movies are struggling to get Hit verdict.

 

India's second biggest star just had his movie released on one of India's biggest festival and it'll do less than Fast X. 

 

 

And who is to blame?

[TwoMisfits]

And I did want to add...from Box Office Pro...the most recent comparable to Mermaid for demos for a younger skewing blockbuster is Mario...and this was the breakdown...

 

"Only 30% white, versus 40% Hispanic, 14% black, and 10% Asian."

 

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by TwoMisfits

[Willowra]

21 minutes ago, Issac Newton said:

First give an Asian Film $100M in America at 2020s then speak about racism and all negative narrative on Asian Countries.

Neither Americans who don't like to watch asian movies are racist nor Asians who don't like to watch black lead or American chinese/Korean actors movies are racist. They are not interested in those movies because of their own reasons and preferences.

[THUNDER BIRD]

Just now, kayumanggi said:

 

And who is to blame?

Why should anyone be blamed.

 

But if you want to blame those toxic trolls who are giving Abuses or threats to Haile then it's fine, they should be condemned.

[cheesypoofs]

12 minutes ago, Boxx93 said:

So if reviews are bad... they are racist alt right trolls review bombing.

 

If reviews are good... they are bough Disney woke shill.

 

Fucking hell man, you can't win either way. Stop acting like petty children. If you like, you like it, if you don't, you don't. It's just another damn mediocre Live Action Disney movie, it's not worth the fight.

I wish more people had common sense like this. 

[Issac Newton]

1 minute ago, Willowra said:

Neither Americans who don't like to watch asian movies are racist nor Asians who don't like to watch black lead or American chinese/Korean actors movies are racist. They are not interested in those movies because of their own reasons and preferences.

Then why people here are getting sick with Mermaid turndowns in Asia. Should they let it pass back. Or just arguing more will boost numbers.

 

They should leave the topic for good. It's neither beneficial for film nor the users here.

[The GOAT]

2 minutes ago, Willowra said:

Neither Americans who don't like to watch asian movies are racist nor Asians who don't like to watch black lead or American chinese/Korean actors movies are racist. They are not interested in those movies because of their own reasons and preferences.

Or they can say both are racist and call it a day.

 

 

[Agafin]

2 hours ago, KGPatt2 said:

Can you really not see the difference in those examples?

I honestly don't?

[kayumanggi]

14 minutes ago, THUNDER BIRD said:

Why should anyone be blamed.

 

But if you want to blame those toxic trolls who are giving Abuses or threats to Haile then it's fine, they should be condemned.

 

You probably didn't see what I put in bold. I mean, if the movie of the biggest star in India is making less than FAST X, what seems to be the problem? Is it the movie or the paying audience?

Edited May 27, 2023 by kayumanggi

[Issac Newton]

18 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

 

Asians fully support Hollywood movies all the time though.

 

It's the lead who is the issue.

 

Americans watch Asian lead movies from Joy Luck Club to Jackie Chan to Crazy Rich Asians.

 

 

[robertman2]

holy fuck this thread is a nightmare

[ThomasNicole]

31 minutes ago, THUNDER BIRD said:

It's extremely funny.

 

90% of Western knowledge about Indian cinema starts & ends with RRR and yet somehow we are to blame if we didn't watch one of their movie.

 

We just made Fast X a Hit in India when our own movies are struggling to get Hit verdict.

 

India's second biggest star just had his movie released on one of India's biggest festival and it'll do less than Fast X. 

 

Honestly, agreed. 
 

I’ve seen a lot of discussions talking about racism in Brazil and sure, we have strong racial problems here (which includes importing bad theories about race from US), but we’re a extremelly mixed people, half or more of people here are non-white people, the fact that there’s chronically online people attacking TLM on small sites is not what is hurting the movie numbers here.

 

You know what probably is hurting not only this movie in our box office? The fact that Hollywood make deals with our government decades ago, completely erased our national theaters to install Cinemark’s, screens only Hollywood movies nearly all the time and for a price that is totally out of reach for most of our people. 
 

Pretty much everyone here needs to choose 1 movie to watch a month (and this is the small portion that can afford to go in a theater), and yeah I’m sure most people decided to watch Fast X which is not only very diverse but also matters in our culture more than Europeans tales. 
 

And still people will complain how we’re not supporting TLM but i’m sure the last Brazilian movie most people here watched was City Of God in 2002.

Edited May 27, 2023 by ThomasNicole

[LVB]

2 minutes ago, Willowra said:

Neither Americans who don't like to watch asian movies are racist nor Asians who don't like to watch black lead or American chinese/Korean actors movies are racist. They are not interested in those movies because of their own reasons and preferences.

 

These preferences have definitely been shaped by historical and present day racism. It's sad that people want to normalize it.

[grey ghost]

2 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

 

At the age skew of the movie, that's actually low for the blockbuster Asian normal turnout as well.  And Hispanics have overindexed much higher for recent young-skewing blockbusters (see Mario and Fast)...looking at the last blockbuster Disney movie (since Disney movies follow Disney more than anything else)...

 

"GOTG3 was 62% male dominant, with 58% between 18-34, and the largest deme being 25-34 at 31%. Updated diversity demos were 41% Caucasian, 26% Latino and Hispanic, 16% Black, & 17% Asian/other." (Deadline)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What does this prove?

 

The demographic share for whites were still low for TLM.

 

It was similar to movies with an all black cast.

 

 

[Last Man Standing]

Just now, LVB said:

 

These preferences have definitely been shaped by historical and present day racism. It's sad that people want to normalize it.

Probably, it's a bit funny that racism only gets brought up when other countries reject the USA's mediocre cultural products, not when the USA completely ignores the films of any other nation on earth.