Father’s Day/Juneteenth Weekend Thread | Flash implodes with 55M, Elemental bombs with 29M, holdovers hold atrociously | Theaters are dead, streaming is dead. Everything is dead really.

[lorddemaxus]

2 minutes ago, ZattMurdock said:

He was. Way back then. Something of 20 years ago. I remember similar interviews with him saying that superhero films were beneath him. And well, here we are.

No he wasn't. Harnett's most famous role is Pearl Harbor. Chalamet already has an Oscar nomination lol. If ur gonna whine about historical revisionism here, please get your facts right

[TwoMisfits]

Just now, ThomasNicole said:

The Pixar movies is probably the only super budgeted movies coming from DIS that you can see the money on the screen 

 

With that said, i do agreed the budgets are unsustainable at this point and for the whole industry. Fast X is a flop due to an insane 340M budget, Mermaid is a disappointment due to an insane 250M budget. 
 

Still, when it comes to original animations where we’re seeing movies struggling for 200-250M, so even with 100M budgets, it would still be bad. I don’t think just reducing the budget is the solution here.
 

Hollywood needs to learn how to sell original stories again, in any medium, they can’t keep making everything cheap and paying talent even less to ignore the problem, because people will eventually get tired of these IP’s, many of them is already with clear cracks.

 

Easiest way to sell is to reduce the ticket price by half...especially if we're talking family programming...

 

Or come up with a family movie subscription plan...

[vafrow]

12 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

I said before that for me Soul - Luca - Turning Red was just as good a three movie run as any in peak Pixar, but probably only Soul I would've definitely watched in cinemas if given the chance Luca and Turning Red didn't appeal to me in their advertising but I loved the movies when i got around to them.

 

That's a good take.

 

I don't know if they would have all succeeded (Luca strikes me as the one that would have struggled), but all those films feel like Pixar working at what they do best, which is bringing something forward that feels different from everything else out there.

 

I find one of the warning signs on Elemental is that people automatically compared it to Inside Out. Instead of feelings personified, it's elements personified.

 

The problem Pixar has now is that the Disney panic cycle means that studio direction is probably for them to go safe, when they do best making films that don't make a lot of sense on paper.

 

 

[dudalb]

4 hours ago, ZattMurdock said:

It’s heavily meta / comic book oriented. Not sure about what I assume is Jamie’s uncle, don’t know much about Jamie’s storyline, but it’s not like it isn’t something that people haven’t inferred about in comics and in real life. I giggled at the joke.

Wierd thing is that when DC does a "what if" about a superhero going fascist; it is almost always Superman. Bruce Timm did that a couple of times at least, once in "Superman:TAS" and once in "Justice League".

[ThomasNicole]

3 minutes ago, cannastop said:

Turning Red's climax would look a lot jankier without the outsized budget.

Definitely, these movies are jaw dropping from a spectacle pov, and it’s what we as an audience deserves. 
 

Illumination have a very successful track record with a lot of cheap movies, but they all look the same and you can hardly see evolution in their style or techniques. Commercially yeah great, artistically? It’s sad and lack effort. 

[Ledmonkey96]

2 minutes ago, Grebacio said:

Assuming they get good reception:

Marvels - 107/ 302M

Deadpool - 190/486M

Thunderbolts - 80M / 323M

 

 

Substract ~20% if they get Quantumania reception 

huh just realized that the MCU is on it's longest streak of >100mil OW right now, with gotg3 being #6 it beats the previous streak from GOTG 2 to Infinity war that was broken by Ant-man 2, even leaving out FFH has a Sony movie the average gross of the Disney MCU movies is 770mil for the 5 movies ending GotG3

[CoolioD1]

yeah hartnett was never really a critics darling. i guess maybe Black Hawk Down was the one big movie he did that got a good reception but he didn't exactly get stand out notices from it.

 

And from what i can tell looking up interviews he said he turned down superhero roles because they boxed in the actors who played them too much, which was definitely more true at the time when not every actor had a superhero role. It's not like you can argue Brandon Routh had a better career than Josh Hartnett.

[Cmasterclay]

7 minutes ago, cooldude97 said:

Eventide I come here the ads are either woman's cosplay costume, children's swimwear, or borderline porn/hentai ads

And that's just the ads for the Flash!!

[ZattMurdock]

1 minute ago, JohnnyGossamer said:

I remember his career at least somewhat. I don't recall critics being spellbound with him like they are Chalamet. I don't doubt Hartnett said like that about superhero movies especially 20+ years ago when the genre wasn't nearly respected. I remember the him and Affleck being mocked endlessly for their work in Pearl Harbor though. 

I mean, how many ‘Next DiCaprios’ we had the last 20 years? I remember at least some of them. My point is that I see a lot of hype around him and I don’t find him likable. Andrew Garfield, another actor that was proclaimed ‘the next DiCaprio’ eons ago comes off as much more likable and down to earth, imho. I’d like to hang out with Garfield, crazy talented and a good dude. Not really Chamalet. There is an arrogance there that I don’t feel it’s earned. Not saying he isn’t good, but not as good as he seems to think and let alone how much overhype him. 

[cannastop]

Just now, ThomasNicole said:

Commercially yeah great, artistically? It’s sad and lack effort. 

Ehh I wouldn't say it's because the artists at Illumination lack ambition.

 

They just do what they do with the constraints they have.

 

Illumination is just a huge outsourcing operation. Storyboards by freelancers who work remotely. Animation done on the cheap.

 

Dreamworks IDK... I'd say it's a hybrid of Illumination outsourcing and a studio space like Pixar but I don't really know.

[ZattMurdock]

4 minutes ago, dudalb said:

Wierd thing is that when DC does a "what if" about a superhero going fascist; it is almost always Superman. Bruce Timm did that a couple of times at least, once in "Superman:TAS" and once in "Justice League".

Yep. And I’m sick of it.

[ThomasNicole]

5 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

 

Easiest way to sell is to reduce the ticket price by half...especially if we're talking family programming...

 

Or come up with a family movie subscription plan...

Agreed, at least here in Brazil every family i know would love to take their kids to experience a movie in theater, but they hardly do it because paying tickets for 2 adults and 3-4 kids is too expensive especially after pandemic, so they have to choose very carefully 1 or 2 movies to watch in a semester.

[JohnnyGossamer]

2 minutes ago, ZattMurdock said:

I mean, how many ‘Next DiCaprios’ we had the last 20 years? I remember at least some of them. My point is that I see a lot of hype around him and I don’t find him likable. Andrew Garfield, another actor that was proclaimed ‘the next DiCaprio’ eons ago comes off as much more likable and down to earth, imho. I’d like to hang out with Garfield, crazy talented and a good dude. Not really Chamalet. There is an arrogance there that I don’t feel it’s earned. Not saying he isn’t good, but not as good as he seems to think and let alone how much overhype him. 

Next DiCaprio? Yeah. I don't know. I just don't think Hartnett is a good comparison to Chalamet.

[CoolioD1]

could've just said "I don't like timothee chalamet" and I would've nodded in agreement, but adding the "He doesn't respect Marvel!" reason... it really does all just revolve around one thing with some of you guys.

[Cmasterclay]

The next DiCaprios who took those superhero roles sure turned into superstars, like....Andrew Garfield? Chalamet is already a bigger star than he is several times over.

[ZattMurdock]

Just now, JohnnyGossamer said:

Next DiCaprio? Yeah. I don't know. I just don't think Hartnett is a good comparison to Chalamet.

It’s a personal classification sure and I agree that’s an odd pet peeve to have. I just think he is the last on a long list of ‘DiCaprio hopefuls’ and I don’t particularly like this last one. 

[CoolioD1]

next dicaprio...

 

Spoiler

 

[AMC Theaters Enjoyer]

So I am now seeing Flash with the father today instead of tomorrow at the LieMax AMC I used to work at.

[ZattMurdock]

4 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

could've just said "I don't like timothee chalamet" and I would've nodded in agreement, but adding the "He doesn't respect Marvel!" reason... it really does all just revolve around one thing with some of you guys.

It’s not Marvel, it’s blockbusters in general. I know how much this mofo went out of his way to try to get the role of Spidey in Civil War, that’s where the Marvel bit of my reasoning in contrast to that recent interview came from.

 

 

PS: I remember this one too lol. 

Edited June 16, 2023 by ZattMurdock

[lorddemaxus]

Just now, JohnnyGossamer said:

Next DiCaprio? Yeah. I don't know. I just don't think Hartnett is a good comparison to Chalamet.

The only criteria you need to be the next Josh Harnett is to take a dunk on superhero movies. As soon as you do that, the world will instantly forget you and the biggest role you'll get is a bit role in a Nolan film 20 years later.