Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets | July 21, 2017 | FLOP OF THE YEAR

[Zakiyyah6]

I stand by my nobody checks on Metacritic to decide whether to see a movie or not. It's nowhere near as ubiquitous and popular as Rotten Tomatoes. Studios boldly use Rotten Tomatoes in their advertisements. If they use Metacritic it's a tiny little thing.

Edited July 11, 2017 by Zakiyyah6

[KeepItU25071906]

I look at RT score and don't understand why STX lifted embargo so early. Or they've expected to impress us 6.2 score and 74%?

Edited July 11, 2017 by KeepItU25071906

[That One Girl]

2 minutes ago, KeepItU25071906 said:

I look at RT score and don't understand why STX lifted embargo so early. Or they've expected to impress us 6.2 score and 74%?

 

No one in the GA cares about average score.  They'll see that fresh, red tomato and TOMATO LAW will takes its effect @CJohn

[CJohn]

Just now, That One Guy said:

 

No one in the GA cares about average score.  They'll see that fresh, red tomato and TOMATO LAW will takes its effect @CJohn

If it gets the Certified Fresh symbol even better. 

 

 

[Zakiyyah6]

I agree, people do not look at the average score.

[DMan7]

Lets wait till it actually gets 50 reviews in before we declare this thing fresh.

[The Futurist]

4 minutes ago, KeepItU25071906 said:

I look at RT score and don't understand why STX lifted embargo so early. Or they've expected to impress us 6.2 score and 74%?

 

That is because you assume a studio can see the future and know exactly how critics are gonna react to a movie.

Edited July 11, 2017 by The Futurist

[Mojoguy]

I look at RT score and don't understand why STX lifted embargo so early. Or they've expected to impress us 6.2 score and 74%?

Because Valerian DESPERATELY needs good buzz right now before Dunkirk comes out and murders it at the boxoffice.

Have a review embargo until the movie opens will make people care even less about the movie.

[Barnack]

Free awareness brought by mediocre reviews is maybe still better than none (for non franchise movie that need to build awareness), The House didn't open much better with their no review at all strategy.

[Water Bottle]

18 minutes ago, That One Guy said:

 

No one in the GA cares about average score.  They'll see that fresh, red tomato and TOMATO LAW will takes its effect @CJohn

 

They care about the percentage though as @CJohn will say, if it's within a certain percentage, Tomato Law is that RT will have no effect.

[That One Girl]

3 minutes ago, Water Bottle said:

 

They care about the percentage though as @CJohn will say, if it's within a certain percentage, Tomato Law is that RT will have no effect.

 

The range is above 70%, which is where it is now!  Tomato Law currently looking to have a positive effect.

[a2k]

V's average rating is now 6/10 (75%).

Among other family movies () Cars3 is 6.1/10 (67%) and DM3 is 5.7/10 (61%).

[Zakiyyah6]

 I think that the film is going to end up rotten or barely fresh

[MikeQ]

I think I must give a friendly reminder that the RT percentage is methodologically different from the average rating. The RT percentage indicates, essentially, the proportion of critics that would rate a film as overall positive or "fresh".

 

This is why we have, to use a most recent example, a film like Spider-Man: Homecoming with a 93% but a 7.6 average rating. Many of the best rated comic book films, for example, have this difference (90+% on RT but with an average rating of 7.3 to 7.7 for many of them).

 

Likewise, Valerian could finish 70+% on RT with a 6-ish average rating. It's percentage could also easily just drop to reflect the lower average rating (and the average rating could still drop itself, given we don't have a large selection of reviews that make up this average rating right now), but this isn't necessarily the case.

 

For example, last summer, The Secret Life of Pets finished with a 74% and 6.2 average rating. Lights Out finished with a 76% and 6.3 average rating. Central Intelligence with a 69% and 5.7 average rating.

 

With a small sample of reviews in, we'll see what direction it goes. My stab in the dark guess is that it will finish at about 65-70%. For whatever reason, most of the reviewers so far are acknowledging the film is flawed but are still choosing to give it a positive rating and say it is overall a "fresh" film.  We'll see if that holds up - it could definitely still end up under 60% if most reviewers moving forward learn toward the film as being "rotten" overall, as that can happen with films too.

 

Peace,

Mike 

[MrGlass2]

One more review >>FRESH<< ! Updating OW prediction from $10M to $70M because of the all-powerful Tomato Effect.

[KJsooner]

Better reviews than I expected. I expected this to be a 3 feet pile of pig shit. Glad I was wrong.

[YM!]

20 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

One more review >>FRESH<< ! Updating OW prediction from $10M to $70M because of the all-powerful Tomato Effect.

Nope. It's not right.

$118M OW. Tomato Law is King.

[Mr Impossible]

Honestly feels like this will play out just like Cloud Atlas did. Mid 60s RT score with same criticisms about story but applauded for ambition. I can't wait to see it! 

[McNerdy]

Meh, the reviews confirm my fears. In theory this movie has absolutely everything I find interesting, especially the raves about avatar like special effects. However, all that is nullified if the two leads are uncharming, lack chemistry, and are seemingly miscast :-(. DeHaan and Delevigne also kind of look like twins instead of love interests IMO...

[MrGlass2]

A good start with 75%. It is too early to predict the RT score after only 20 critics weighed in... but apparently not too early to write something like this:

 

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‘Valerian’ Gets Destroyed By Critics — A Round Up Of The Harshest Reviews

‘Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets’ is a beautiful mess, according to most critics. We’ve gathered some of the worst reviews of the new film that cost $180 million to make — and they’re pretty intense.

While the movie, starring Dane DeHaan, Cara Delevigne and Rihanna, doesn’t hit theaters until July 21, the early reviews of Valerian are in — and well, they’re rough. We’ve chosen some of the most jarring reviews

 

When they smell blood in the water, some media hacks are eager to pile on a movie like Valerian. I'm not sure where it comes from, especially when the actual reviews are not that bad (yet?).