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No, it really isn't.   One of the bigger problems in Hollywood the last 10 to 20 years is rushing out films before they are ready.  Not gonna tag Tele (as I doubt he wants to be tagged into this thread), but he is right on when he complains about films locking in dates years in advance.   The more I think about it and the more I observe substandard or mediocre films/shows that needed more baking in the oven the more I am convinced that Hollywood's obsession with locking in ca
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James Gunn and Co. seem to be trusting, relying-on and giving Reeves more and more stuff to do (The Batman 2, The Penguin, Arkham ) , they should offer him a proper high job in DC. He seems to be the only dude knowing what to do with the properties at DC / Warner.

Also, DC does not need 2 Batman versions at the same time. Stick with Pattison. 

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Also, DC does not need 2 Batman versions at the same time. Stick with Pattison. 

 

And if the Pattison version of Batman doesn't fit with Gunn's vision of how he wants Batman in the new DC film universe?  Or indeed the general tone/vibe of Battison films being potentially highly incompatible with whatever Gunn is cooking?

 

Just not have Bats around? Just close your eyes and pretend that Gotham as depicted in the new Batman films somehow sits side by side with the more, shall we say, comic book like rest of the DC films?

 

That's the fundamental problem with shared universes.  They're shared.

 

To put it a different way, if the Gunniverse is flat out more fantastical than the Battison films that too can be a disconnect.  Not a fatal one.  But, well, it's an issue.

 

Perhaps more to the point, it's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY past time we get a different take on Batsy. It's coming up on 20 years now of repeating the notes from Batman Begins.  Bring in the Bat Family. Bring in Robin and/or Nightwing. Do something different with the character.  Don't be afraid to examine long established different aspects of his character that lend more to shared stories.  

 

(stop treating him like being an emo loner man-child is the ONLY interpretation of the character — cough)

 

I'm not even saying "don't have him be a serious, brooding fella" as having a serious, brooding fella have to be responsible for the lives of others that he cares for makes for some really juicy story telling.  Bringing in Robin (whatever version one cares about) or Nightwing or whomever else is a tremendous way to force Bruce Wayne to confront his suppressed Daddy Issues.  Hell, the compare/contrast of Superman and Batman views on the world as well as their methods is Iconic for a reason.

 

Having a Pattison Batman as well as a Gunn Brave and the Bold Batman lets James Gunn have his cake and eat it too.  Lets him have the ultra gritty emo grounded/down to earth Batman/Gotham over in one corner while also finally starting to tap into the folks who grew up on B:TAS  that have been lobbying (quite loudly in some cases) for something fresh and a bit livelier.

 

Now I suspect that if Gunn was coming in fresh a few years ago, we wouldn't have this split going on because I do admit there are potential downsides.  Or if The Batman had flopped, it would have been easier to consign it with the rest of the incoming soft reboot. But it is/was popular.  So why not continue it in its own little Elseworld while not letting its vision and how it views things pre-determine how the rest of Gunn's DC universe shake out?

 

(Does put pressure on Gunn to have a Compelling Different Take on Batsy that makes it worth having two different versions side by side, but what's a little added pressure considering the enormous pressure he's already under to reboot the DCU?)

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Having two versions of a popular character, in the same consumer format at the same time is going to confuse a lot of people, I'm speaking in the eyes of the average joe that doesn't follow the CBM news,.

It's going to create mistrust in the brand, first, it's going to make the audience choose between  the dark and serious tone of Reeves and the goofy and dumb version of Gunn, secondly, a risk of over exposure of the character because Batman is going to have cameos in every DC show / movie, on top of two trilogies (Reeves and Gunn) and because the people are going to think it doesn't make sense to see Batman with actor 1 because Batman with actor 2 is coming in another year anyways, sort to speak.

 

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The CBM market is already saturated as it is between Disney pushing everything they can to Disney plus and DC adapting every dumb and mediocre movie they can.

If DC makes the same mistake Marvel did, having too many projects per year it can kill the genre for good.

 

If anything, Gunn should wait for Reeves to do Batman 2 and then make the Brave and the Bold with Pattinson's Batman, once the GA has fully clicked with the character. 

After that a character reboot for Batman should be ok, to mold the tone for the DCU.

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10 hours ago, Porthos said:

 

And if the Pattison version of Batman doesn't fit with Gunn's vision of how he wants Batman in the new DC film universe?  Or indeed the general tone/vibe of Battison films being potentially highly incompatible with whatever Gunn is cooking?

 

Just not have Bats around? Just close your eyes and pretend that Gotham as depicted in the new Batman films somehow sits side by side with the more, shall we say, comic book like rest of the DC films?

 

That's the fundamental problem with shared universes.  They're shared.

 

To put it a different way, if the Gunniverse is flat out more fantastical than the Battison films that too can be a disconnect.  Not a fatal one.  But, well, it's an issue.

 

Perhaps more to the point, it's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY past time we get a different take on Batsy. It's coming up on 20 years now of repeating the notes from Batman Begins.  Bring in the Bat Family. Bring in Robin and/or Nightwing. Do something different with the character.  Don't be afraid to examine long established different aspects of his character that lend more to shared stories.  

 

(stop treating him like being an emo loner man-child is the ONLY interpretation of the character — cough)

 

I'm not even saying "don't have him be a serious, brooding fella" as having a serious, brooding fella have to be responsible for the lives of others that he cares for makes for some really juicy story telling.  Bringing in Robin (whatever version one cares about) or Nightwing or whomever else is a tremendous way to force Bruce Wayne to confront his suppressed Daddy Issues.  Hell, the compare/contrast of Superman and Batman views on the world as well as their methods is Iconic for a reason.

 

Having a Pattison Batman as well as a Gunn Brave and the Bold Batman lets James Gunn have his cake and eat it too.  Lets him have the ultra gritty emo grounded/down to earth Batman/Gotham over in one corner while also finally starting to tap into the folks who grew up on B:TAS  that have been lobbying (quite loudly in some cases) for something fresh and a bit livelier.

 

Now I suspect that if Gunn was coming in fresh a few years ago, we wouldn't have this split going on because I do admit there are potential downsides.  Or if The Batman had flopped, it would have been easier to consign it with the rest of the incoming soft reboot. But it is/was popular.  So why not continue it in its own little Elseworld while not letting its vision and how it views things pre-determine how the rest of Gunn's DC universe shake out?

 

(Does put pressure on Gunn to have a Compelling Different Take on Batsy that makes it worth having two different versions side by side, but what's a little added pressure considering the enormous pressure he's already under to reboot the DCU?)

Gunn actually said that Reeves was the one who didn’t want his Batman in the DCU.

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Gunn actually said that Reeves was the one who didn’t want his Batman in the DCU.

 

And that's just as fair!

 

I don't deny that this is a less than ideal situation.  But then again, ideal situations are ideal for a reason.  Real Life tends to be messier and with more tradeoffs.

 

So if the three broad outcomes were:

 

1] No Pattison/Reeves Batman films at all.

2] No Batman at all in Gunn films.

3] Have a separate take of Batman ala Joker...

 

Well it seems pretty evident which to me has the least downside and more importantly the most upside.  Could it all blow up?  Sure.  But axing the Reeves films would have blown up and not having Batman at all in the new DC films being built up has its own downsides.

 

Now again, the pressure is on Gunn here to make all of this worthwhile.  But he's already under pressure so what's an extra added back flip or two to an already difficult routine?

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