Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

[TomCruiseTop]

Just now, WittyUsername said:

Is the movie itself going to have the high frame rate, or is it just for the presentation? 

Variable frame rate and yes the entire movie. 

[Deuce66]

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[WittyUsername]

1 minute ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

Variable frame rate and yes the entire movie. 

Wouldn’t that potentially cause headaches and motion sickness? 

[Reddroast]

12 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

to be fair the OP made some convicing arguments which probably swayed him too far away from the real number

To be fair ailta does not have the biggest following in the anime community in NA. I think it would helped if JC went to some bigger anime studios like bones Wit or madhouse and had them make an anime based on the series a couple years beforehand.

[AniNate]

They were saying that the movie would be offered in the "most versions ever"

[ThomasNicole]

5 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

Is the movie itself going to have the high frame rate, or is it just for the presentation? 

Yes, but it will be variable. Some sequences will be in 24fps and other in 48fps (i think it´s 48). 

 

What some people found distractive is because the 5 minute presentation have footage from both types of frames and it keeps switching quickly, so it´s disturbed some. 

 

In the actual movie i believe the variations will be in selected sequences so it will change smoothly and will works well without bringing much attention to itself.

Edited April 27, 2022 by ThomasNicole

[Reddroast]

1 minute ago, ThomasNicole said:

Yes, but it will be variable. Some sequences will be in 24fps and other in 48fps (i think it´s 48). 

 

What some people found distractive is because the 5 minute presentation have footage from both types of frames and it keeps switching quickly, so it´s disturbed some. 

 

In the actual movie i believe the variations will be in selected sequences so it will change smoothly and will works well without bringing much attention to itself.

Hasn't hfr caused similar issues for the other major films that have tried it (the hobbit movies and bill Lynn for example)

[dudalb]

4 minutes ago, Reddroast said:

To be fair ailta does not have the biggest following in the anime community in NA. I think it would helped if JC went to some bigger anime studios like bones Wit or madhouse and had them make an anime based on the series a couple years beforehand.

That, and live action versions of Anime have not had a great sucess rate.

[SnokesLegs]

3 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

Yes, but it will be variable. Some sequences will be in 24fps and other in 48fps (i think it´s 48). 

 

What some people found distractive is because the 5 minute presentation have footage from both types of frames and it keeps switching quickly, so it´s disturbed some. 

 

In the actual movie i believe the variations will be in selected sequences so it will change smoothly and will works well without bringing much attention to itself.

I can imagine the underwater scenes being really effective in 48fps. I can remember being mesmerised by the HFR 3D snowflakes in the second Hobbit movie. 

[dudalb]

SO the five minutes is another tech demonstration and does not  tell us much about the plot and charecters?

[Reddroast]

6 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

Wouldn’t that potentially cause headaches and motion sickness? 

I know numerous people who can't do 3d because it gives them headaches. If the hfr adds on to that it could be a pretty big issue

[Reddroast]

1 minute ago, dudalb said:

SO the five minutes is another tech demonstration and does not  tell us much about the plot and charecters?

Looks like it

[IronJimbo]

2 minutes ago, dudalb said:

SO the five minutes is another tech demonstration and does not  tell us much about the plot and charecters?

it was footage from the film, no dialogue.

[Reddroast]

3 minutes ago, dudalb said:

That, and live action versions of Anime have not had a great sucess rate.

And that though they have actually getting better at it. I enjoyed the live action Cowboy bebob with John cho as spike

[ThomasNicole]

5 minutes ago, dudalb said:

SO the five minutes is another tech demonstration and does not  tell us much about the plot and charecters?

yes, footage from the movie but it´s random scenes without dialogue or plot points.

 

6 minutes ago, Reddroast said:

Hasn't hfr caused similar issues for the other major films that have tried it (the hobbit movies and bill Lynn for example)

They did, but i think the problem is exactly because the whole movies was in HFR.

 

I saw all the 3 hobbits in the format and Gemini Man, and it´s a mixed bag. In the action sequences (especially Gemini Man) it works very well, it brings a sense of dynamism that i think it´s impossible to get in usual presentation.

 

The problem is with slower scenes, dialogues, people walking, again it looks well too dynamic and in these slower situations it just gets very distractive and unnatural.

 

Avatar can solve this if it uses only in action sequences and underwater scenes (that normally is too slow in 24fps because of the movement of the water). I think the fact that Pandora is entirely digital will help too, HFR looks weirder when it´s human people / real environments in scene.

Edited April 27, 2022 by ThomasNicole

[AniNate]

I checked my expectations on Alita when Cameron left the helm. "Producer James Cameron" and "Director James Cameron" are very different things.

[watcher1232]

Cameron was so involved with Alita (with his name on it way more than Rodriguez) including writing it and overseeing so much of it that to act like it would've done better if he was in the director's seat is disingenuous at best.

[Reddroast]

1 minute ago, ThomasNicole said:

yes, footage from the movie but it´s random scenes without dialogue or plot points.

 

They did, but i think the problem is exactly because the whole movies was in HFR.

 

I saw all the 3 hobbits in the format and Gemini Man, and it´s a mixed bag. In the action sequences (especially Gemini Man) it works very well, it brings a sense of dynamism that i think it´s impossible to get in usual presentation.

 

The problem is with slower scenes, dialogues, people walking, again it looks well too dynamic and in these slower situations it just gets very distractive and unnatural.

 

Avatar can solve this if it uses only in action sequences and underwater scenes (that normally is too slow in 24fps because of the movement of the water). I think the fact that Pandora is entirely digital will help too, HFR looks weirder when it´s human people / real environments in scene.

It depends on much of the film is in hfr. If the majority of it is ( and that could very well be the case) it's going to have some problems with audiences

[TomCruiseTop]

It's projected at a constant 48fps just so we are clear. It ramps down to what looks like 24 but is still being projected at 48fps. 

[Reddroast]

Just now, watcher1232 said:

Cameron was so involved with Alita (with his name on it way more than Rodriguez) including writing it and overseeing so much of it that to act like it would've done better if he was in the director's seat is disingenuous at best.

Funny thing was avatar 1 was supposed to be the tech demo and then alita was going to blow everyone away