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[Mojoguy]

And what for exactly?

Disney just releases their movies way too soon on video even while they are doing good, Tangled had 18 weeks before its video release, Frozen 16 weeks, and Zootopia 13 weeks. It's a terrible trend that ends up making their movies less of an event.

[Celedhring]

10 minutes ago, TommyA10 said:

And what for exactly?

 

Yeah, after taking everybody's money in presales it would have been a nightmare PR move, just for a pretty feeble chance at 1 billion.

 

On the greater issue of movies losing screens. Just take a look at i.e. Fantastic Beasts. Of all the movies with larger theater counts, only Collateral Beauty has a lower PTA. Besides distributor pressure to put new films in as many screens as possible, the fact is that theaters will make more money out of new films than by keeping old films around.

 

TW	LW	Title (click to view)	Studio	Weekend Gross	% Change	Theater Count / Change		Average	Total Gross	Budget*	Week #
1	1	Rogue One: A Star Wars Story	BV	$64,377,000	-58.5%	4,157	-	$15,486	$286,375,674	$200	2
2	N	Sing	Uni.	$35,290,000	-	4,022	-	$8,774	$55,902,640	$75	1
3	N	Passengers (2016)	Sony	$14,850,000	-	3,478	-	$4,270	$22,175,201	$110	1
4	N	Why Him?	Fox	$11,050,000	-	2,917	-	$3,788	$11,050,000	$38	1
5	N	Assassin's Creed	Fox	$10,280,000	-	2,970	-	$3,461	$17,772,398	$125	1
6	2	Moana	BV	$7,402,000	-41.8%	2,687	-900	$2,755	$180,434,191	-	5
7	25	Fences	Par.	$6,688,000	+5,066.0%	2,233	+2,229	$2,995	$6,879,515	$24	2
8	7	La La Land	LG/S	$5,729,400	+39.7%	734	+534	$7,806	$13,611,711	$30	3
9	3	Office Christmas Party	Par.	$5,115,000	-40.4%	2,441	-769	$2,095	$42,153,602	$45	3
10	4	Collateral Beauty	WB (NL)	$4,275,000	-39.8%	3,028	-	$1,412	$15,276,500	$36	2
11	6	Manchester by the Sea	RAtt.	$3,037,800	-28.1%	1,213	+7	$2,504	$19,752,916	-	6
12	5	Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them	WB	$2,925,000	-42.3%	1,966	-1,070	$1,488	$214,230,251	$180	6

Edited December 27, 2016 by Celedhring

[aabattery]

34 minutes ago, Christmas Baumer said:

Makes me so sad that bad movies like Doctor Strange and FB are making money.

 

Spoiler

i havent seen fb

 

[PPZVGOS]

21 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

The only thing I was confused about is why Disney didn't delay TFA bluray and dvd release for another month or two, but they had the standard 16 weeks until it was on video. They left money on the table. They did the same with Frozen.

I think it was just GREED.

 

I was gravely bemused myself with this. They definitely rushed that TFA DVD release. 

[Xavier]

10 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

He is not wearing a Superman cape?

 

No, a freaking Star Wars one. 

[TommyA10]

5 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

Disney just releases their movies way too soon on video even while they are doing good, Tangled had 18 weeks before its video release, Frozen 16 weeks, and Zootopia 13 weeks. It's a terrible trend that ends up making their movies less of an event.

I was speaking solely about TFA. It wouldn't have crossed the $1 billion mark even if Disney had kept it in theaters for a few more weeks (with a re expansion of course).

Now if they decide to re-release it in a few years (which I don't think they will, as they have more than enough SW movies coming out every year), then yeah, I could see it getting to that magical $1b mark.

[terrestrial]

9 hours ago, Christmas Baumer said:

Makes me so sad that bad movies like Doctor Strange and FB are making money.

8 hours ago, PPZVGOS said:

I wouldn't say that Doctor Strange is a bad movie (never cared about any Harry Potter) but it's definitely unremarkable, I can barely recall any of it after having seen it once. The funny thing is that Marvel movies keep getting high praise left and right. 

 

I really liked Doctor Strange (haven't seen a lot of films in cinema in recent times, not enough time since years, and some other reasons), I can remember a lot of scenes without having to think about it (as in scenes appear in my mind by themselves = not sure how to formulate this in correct terms) and still love you all  

 

Best forum still up (also some boards about other specialised interests)

= my top 5 forums have no ranking, they are all the best in my POV 

Edited December 27, 2016 by terrestrial

[PPZVGOS]

10 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

Disney just releases their movies way too soon on video even while they are doing good, Tangled had 18 weeks before its video release, Frozen 16 weeks, and Zootopia 13 weeks. It's a terrible trend that ends up making their movies less of an event.

 

They are terrified about piracy would be my guess, hence they rush to release their product ASAP. It's a clear effort to accelerate the turnover as much as possible. 

[terrestrial]

You are complaining about 13 weeks?
WB wants to start with 2 weeks... (Apple TV...)

[Mojoguy]

You are complaining about 13 weeks?

WB wants to start with 2 weeks... (Apple TV...)

That's horrible. Talk about killing the movie going experience!

[George Parr]

26 minutes ago, Xavier said:

 

What, NOT the Star Wars movie? Stop kidding us, man.

 

Lol at this guy REVIEWING Star Wars movies wearing his Star Wars cape. A complete and utter travesty.

 

Yes, because a Star Wars fan couldn't possibly dislike a Star Wars movie, I mean all eight movies only got rave reviews from fans and none of them had ever anything critical to say about the movies or their creators

 

Yes, there are fans out there who will love anything, regardless of what it actually shows, but just like that, there are also fans who are far more critical than the average person would ever be.

Edited December 27, 2016 by George Parr

[Xavier]

8 minutes ago, George Parr said:

 

Yes, because a Star Wars fan couldn't possibly dislike a Star Wars movie, I mean all eight movies only got rave reviews from fans and none of them had ever anything critical to say about the movies or their creators

 

Yes, there are fans out there who will love anything, regardless of what it actually shows, but just like that, there are also fans who are far more critical than the average person would ever be.

 

No, what I am saying is that fans of that size, who live and breathe Star Wars, are more prone to not be objective at all, and this can go both ways, overtly praising (TFA as the best thing since sliced bread, I mean, come on now), or overtly criticising (the PT "killing childhoods" and all).

[YSLDC]

6 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

That's horrible. Talk about killing the movie going experience!

Well, to be fair, WB movies are the most pireted movies online, so I can understand why they'll do something like that.

[redfirebird2008]

$32m is above TFA's second Monday. Awesome!

[Alli]

4 minutes ago, YSLDC said:

Well, to be fair, WB movies are the most pireted movies online, so I can understand why they'll do something like that.

And in this instance they'll be even more pirated. Imagine having the movie online after two weeks. It would leak on the web immediately, just like all tv shows.

 

Bad idea

[terrestrial]

3 minutes ago, Xavier said:

No, what I am saying is that fans of that size, who live and breathe Star Wars, are more prone to not be objective at all, and this can go both ways, overtly praising (TFA as the best thing since sliced bread, I mean, come on now), or overtly criticising (the PT "killing childhoods" and all).

I think both groups are the loud minority, the most people I know or read their reactions/reviews about e.g. a fim... are usually balanced in RL especially if it is about films or...., but not counting for soccer games, then all bets seem off. 

Sport: too often in a short time-span, to clear the results = seems to start strong reactions or?

[terrestrial]

8 minutes ago, YSLDC said:

Well, to be fair, WB movies are the most pireted movies online, so I can understand why they'll do something like that.

I'd like to know the whys.

Ratings? Not enough 2D? Too specialised genres (difficult to find a friend to accompany...) Or...?

 

IMHO it is the worst idea they ever had in the long run = in the POV of cinemas (how long will they get a share to compensate?), it will further the frontloadness = and as such bad for smaller films, I think those will get drowned even more, and for the people loving to see a film in a cinema still.

It might even impact on what a film will show, like huge panorama,... wont be as impacting at home, might get reduced in film-making in the long run.

[The Stingray]

@druv10 @redfirebird2008

 

You were right I was wrong about that Monday.

[YSLDC]

23 minutes ago, Alli said:

And in this instance they'll be even more pirated. Imagine having the movie online after two weeks. It would leak on the web immediately, just like all tv shows.

 

Bad idea

But they don't care about the people who pirate. They care about the untapped potential in people who skip theater or go to the theater once or twice a year and then will catch the movie on streaming or TV for a lower price. 

 

15 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

I'd like to know the whys.

Ratings? Not enough 2D? Too specialised genres (difficult to find a friend to accompany...) Or...?

 

IMHO it is the worst idea they ever had in the long run = in the POV of cinemas (how long will they get a share to compensate?), it will further the frontloadness = and as such bad for smaller films, I think those will get drowned even more, and for the people loving to see a film in a cinema still.

It might even impact on what a film will show, like huge panorama,... wont be as impacting at home, might get reduced in film-making in the long run.

It's all about the costumer. Nobody in the studios care about the film making aspect.

Edited December 27, 2016 by YSLDC

[terrestrial]

7 minutes ago, YSLDC said:

1. But they don't care about the people who pirate. They care about the untapped potential in people who skip theater or go to the theater once or twice a year and then will catch the movie on streaming or TV for a lower price. 

2. It's all about the costumer. Nobody in the studios care about the film making aspect.

 

about 1.

Those willing to pay per VOD or... will pay for it later on too (depends on when later on is), they only further the amount of people not going to the cinemas.

A lot of people like to go to the cinemas, but not early in, as a lot of people do not like the loudnes,... of a full(ish) room.

If it is too early, they will loose a lot of audience to convenience. Imagine 1 times payed for the family against 4 tickets too, also a IMHO considerable part of the BO is per repeat viewing, dragging friends with them and similar combinations. They will loose a lot of those too.

 

about 2.

either I do not understand or you didn't understand my post.

I'd like to know why B's films are leading in getting pirated, as you told. There has to be a difference to other distributors, if correct.

Maybe provide a link, so I can read for myself and maybe find the detail I am looking for?