The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread: Electric Boogaloo

[Borobudur]

F9 should have really taken the Father day spot. This past weekend is so boring and uneventful, Not to mention F9 will keep itself additional one week apart from BW.

[charlie Jatinder]

Yeah $8.5M THU seems likely for F9. Not sure on PSm on OD though. Will it be 2x like majority films during summer 2019 were or 2.4-2.6x. I think I wasn't online during Hobbs and Shaw weekend so I don't know how it did PSm wise, but if 2.5x that means $20M True Friday is probable.

 

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[Eric Prime]

23 hours ago, Eric is Full of Pride said:

F9 Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-3 and Counting (Thu)

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	2	70	1619	10632	15.23%

 

Total Showings Added Today: 7

Total Seats Added Today: 944

Total Seats Sold Today: 218

 

Comp

0.750x of Godzilla vs. Kong 3 Days Before Release (7.28M)

0.956x of A Quiet Place Part II's Thu+Fri T-3 Before Release (18.51M)

 

Had to do my usual correction with GvK on its final days, since that didn't have Thursday previews and whatnot. Even still, this was an okay day, though I hope the next few days improve quite dramatically.

F9 Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-2 and Counting (Thu)

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	1	97	1938	17196	11.27%

 

Total Sellouts Removed Today: 1

Total Showings Added Today: 27

Total Seats Added Today: 6,564

Total Seats Sold Today: 319

 

Comp

0.741x of Godzilla vs. Kong 2 Days Before Release (7.19M)

0.755x of A Quiet Place Part II's Thu+Fri T-2 Before Release (14.63M)

 

Yeah, feel like the 7M range is pretty solid at the moment, unless it just dies the next two days. Which hey, seems pretty good, especially if this ends up a bit more backloaded like people here are suggesting.

[Eric Prime]

On 6/21/2021 at 11:49 PM, Eric is Full of Pride said:

Black Widow Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-17 and Counting (Thu)

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	80	1628	13155	12.38%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 55

 

Comp

0.420x of Godzilla vs. Kong's Final Count (4.07M)

0.828x of A Quiet Place Part II's Thu Final Count (3.97M)

0.314x of A Quiet Place Part II's Thu+Fri Final Count (6.09M)

Black Widow Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-16 and Counting (Thu)

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	80	1720	16722	10.29%

 

Total Seats Added Today: 3,567

Total Seats Sold Today: 92

 

Comp

0.444x of Godzilla vs. Kong's Final Count (4.30M)

2.345x of Godzilla vs. Kong T-16 Before Release (22.77M)

0.874x of A Quiet Place Part II's Thu Final Count (4.20M)

0.332x of A Quiet Place Part II's Thu+Fri Final Count (6.43M)

 

This really does show just how much the lack of social distancing can really help when it comes to seat additions. I really didn't expect the seat count to grow that much. Anyways...yeah, film's still doing very solid business.

[Porthos]

PAY YOUR BANDWIDTH BILL, CINEMARK!!!!!! 

 

Grrrrrrrr.....

 

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I don't know if Cinemark ran out of bandwidth today, (or much more likely) if they're doing server maintenance right now, or maybe upgrading their software, but Cinemark is fucking slow as goddamn molasses right now.  Took 20 to 25 seconds to load up a showing (both on Fandango and on the corp site), and that's if it even loaded as about a third to half the time I got an error (after waiting about 25 seconds before getting that error).  And because (currently) Cinemark has about 3/4ths of the showings I'm tracking it took me over an hour to check about 100 showings.        

 

(by comparison, the other showings at Regal, SMG, and the Indie IMAX theater were a breeze)

 

Gonna post the F9 report in a few minutes then cool down and hope to Hades that whatever is going on with the Cinemark servers I'm pinging is fixed in an hour or so and then do the BW count.

 

(and I know it isn't current traffic, as I was easily able to access Cinemark a few hours ago while I was updating seat maps)

[Porthos]

On 6/21/2021 at 11:45 PM, Porthos said:

 

F9 Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-3 days and counting

 

	Capped	Sellouts	Showings	Seats left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Perct Sold
TOTALS	2	0	122	15198	17261	2063	11.95%

 

Total Showings Added Today	33
Total Seats Added Today	3777
Total Seats Sold Today	257

 

T-3 Comp                    USE WITH CAUTION

	%		Sold T-3	Total Sold		Sellouts/Shows	Seats Left/Total Seats	Perct Sold		Comp
AQP II (adj)	141.33		218	1430		11/91	2098/3528	40.53%		6.78m
F9 (adj)	---		251	2021		0/122	15120/17141	11.79%		---

SELLOUT NOTE:  Locally, AQP II was still under a capacity cap, which greatly inflated the number of sellouts as well as depressing the amount of seats available.

ADJUSTMENT NOTE 1:  AQP II (adj) is the amount of seats sold after the theaters which currently have unreliable data polluting their seat maps have been removed.

 

 

F9 Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-2 days and counting

 

	Capped	Sellouts	Showings	Seats left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Perct Sold
TOTALS	2	0	143	15720	18180	2460	13.53%

 

Total Showings Added Today	21*
Total Seats Added Today	919
Total Seats Sold Today	397

* Includes five showings from non-reserved seating theaters

 

T-2 Comp

	%		Sold T-2	Total Sold		Sellouts/Shows	Seats Left/Total Seats	Perct Sold		Comp
AQP II (adj)	136.38		329	1759		25/111	2247/4006	43.91%		6.55m
F9 (adj)	---		378	2399		0/143	15661/18060	13.28%		---

SELLOUT NOTE:  Locally, AQP II was still under a capacity cap, which greatly inflated the number of sellouts as well as depressing the amount of seats available.

ADJUSTMENT NOTE 1:  AQP II (adj) is the amount of seats sold after the theaters which currently have unreliable data polluting their seat maps have been removed.

 

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Still not headed in the right direction in Sacramento, but if I apply that 105% adjustment to AQP II comp I mused about a couple of days ago (due to social distancing being removed and whatnot), then the AQP II comp comes out to 6.9m.  Which is, well, you know.

 

The good news is that for my final report on Thr I can adjust for the Cinema West theaters that are acting up and do a comp against Hobbs & Shaw and whatever else I think might be interesting, though I'd still apply an adjustment of some sort for the lack of Ontario plus the states that still have caps/distancing.  

 

Still, not taking off in Sacramento, and I doubt it was because of Cinemark acting up, as I had little trouble accessing it at 7:30pm my time.

 

(BW report in a couple of hours)

Edited June 23, 2021 by Porthos

[charlie Jatinder]

Try Atom tickets @Porthos. Opening fine for me.

[Porthos]

44 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

Try Atom tickets @Porthos. Opening fine for me.

 

Tried it, but while there is no lag when it comes to selecting the number of seats, when I get to the seat map (where I access the number of seats sold/check the source code for the number of seats sold [whichever is faster]), I'm still getting that massive lag.

 

(I also don't have the HTML code checked out for Atom to speed up counts as I rarely use Atom)

 

Might be whatever local servers are getting pinged, but no matter the source, Cinemark is vedddddddy slow right now. 

 

(to see what I mean. try https://www.atomtickets.com/theaters/century-arden-14-and-xd/3538, then after selecting the number of tickets for a show, click on the "Pick Seats" button and when I do, I get lots of lag)

Edited June 23, 2021 by Porthos

[Porthos]

1 hour ago, Porthos said:

 

Tried it, but while there is no lag when it comes to selecting the number of seats, when I get to the seat map (where I access the number of seats sold/check the source code for the number of seats sold [whichever is faster]), I'm still getting that massive lag.

 

(I also don't have the HTML code checked out for Atom to speed up counts as I rarely use Atom)

 

Might be whatever local servers are getting pinged, but no matter the source, Cinemark is vedddddddy slow right now. 

 

(to see what I mean. try https://www.atomtickets.com/theaters/century-arden-14-and-xd/3538, then after selecting the number of tickets for a show, click on the "Pick Seats" button and when I do, I get lots of lag)

 

Oh, this is funny.  After some trial and error, I'm currently only able to cycle in and access Cinemark servers (no matter what the source) at the :10 to :15 or so second mark on each minute (on my local computer time).  I think I might have a five second window per minute to get in.

 

Lovely. 

 

EDIT:::   Yep.  That's it alright. 

 

(and since that window is such a short amount of time, I can't "cheat" and load up multiple shows at a time)

Edited June 23, 2021 by Porthos

[Porthos]

On 6/21/2021 at 11:46 PM, Porthos said:

 

Black Widow Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-17 days and counting

 

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	117	16941	19130	2189	10.95%

 

Total Seats Today

94

 

2.9109x the tickets that F9 sold at the same theaters at T-17 [2189 vs 752].

Black Widow has had 4 more days of ticket sales than F9 has had at this point in the track.

No other official comps at the moment.

 

Black Widow Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-16 days and counting

 

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	117	16861	19134*	2273	11.88%

* NOTE: A couple of seat maps were adjusted resulting in four more seats being available in the region.

 

Total Seats Today

84

 

2.8377x the tickets that F9 sold at the same theaters at T-16 [2273 vs 801].

Black Widow has had 4 more days of ticket sales than F9 has had at this point in the track.

No other official comps at the moment.

[Menor the Destroyer]

Looking at @keysersoze123 data for AQP2, PS for Thursday on T-1 was 32k. In my system that would probably be ~28k due to the DBOX issue. Currently F9 is at 43k and did about 6k yesterday. Say it does 7k today (very lowball) it will still be about 1.75x where AQP2 was at the same point. In fact, I think it really should be higher. A little odd, considering our data from Sac, Denver, and Philly is all pointing to comps lower than that. Perhaps it's just that more regions/theaters are doing good business now. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Menor

[charlie Jatinder]

26 minutes ago, Menor said:

Looking at @keysersoze123 data for AQP2, PS for Thursday on T-1 was 32k. In my system that would probably be ~28k due to the DBOX issue. Currently F9 is at 43k and did about 6k yesterday. Say it does 7k today (very lowball) it will still be about 1.75x where AQP2 was at the same point. In fact, I think it really should be higher. A little odd, considering our data from Sac, Denver, and Philly is all pointing to comps lower than that. Perhaps it's just that more regions/theaters are doing good business now. 

MTC 1 AQP isn't that much behind. AQP2 was 43K (~52K incl. all) while F9 was 36K (~43K) 2 days back, now may be 48K (~58K).

Also may be AQP2 didn't had that many DBOX shows as F9 may have.

Edited June 23, 2021 by charlie Jatinder

[Menor the Destroyer]

7 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

MTC 1 AQP isn't that much behind. AQP2 was 43K (~52K incl. all) while F9 was 36K (~43K) 2 days back, now may be 48K (~58K).

Also may be AQP2 didn't had that many DBOX shows as F9 may have.

F9 was 36k on Saturday, at the same time MTC2 had 31k. Probably by the time of comparison it will be more like 60k+ MTC1. Still, the ratio is indeed a bit lower. 

[charlie Jatinder]

The only big film comp we have is TRoS, which was well may be too big for BW.

 

TRoS Previews added $1.9M from T-17 days to T-10 days. In next 7 days it added $4.5M and in final 3 days it added $15.5M Approx.

 

So basically 2.35x of T-17 to T-10 during T-10 to T-3.

3.45x of T-10 to T-10 during final 4 days.

 

BW will probably add $0.85-1.05M during T-17 to T-10. If BW follows TRoS, Previews will be $12.75-14.75M.

 

Since BW isn't SW episode film, which had, well, $17-18M already sold by T-17 days as compared to just $2.75M of BW, we can certainly expect a better trend. 

 

 

[charlie Jatinder]

Just for reference, gonna list Top 10 chains ratio pre-COVID of DOM box office.

 

AMC - 23.6%

REGAL - 17.7%

Cinemark - 13.7%

Cineplex - 6.5% 

Marcus - 2.8%

Harkins - 2% (33)

CMX - 1.6%

Showcase - 1.25% (28)

Alamo Drafthouse - 1.15%

Pacific - 1.05% (18)

Landmark - 1.05%

 

Megaplex - 0.6% (15)

 

The ratio is on average annually. Some chains are more frontloaded than others, e.g. Megaplex usually is 0.6% but for OW can be 1.1% even.

Edited June 23, 2021 by charlie Jatinder

[el sid]

F9, counted today at 10am EST for Friday:

NY (AMC Fresh Meadows 7): 728 (19 showtimes)
Miami (AMC Sunset Place 24): 369 (24 showtimes)
Grand Rapids (AMC Grand Rapids 18): 214 (15 showtimes)
Austin (AMC Lakeline 9): 16 (6 showtimes)
Tempe/Phoenix (AMC Centerpoint 11): 99 (12 showtimes)
San Francisco (AMC Metreon 16): 390 (29 showtimes)
LA (AMC Universal): 989 (31 showtimes)
 

Total tickets sold in 7 theaters: 2.812.

Up 70% since Monday. And a lot of new showtimes.
Comps: Now way in front of Hobbs & Shaw which had also on Wednesday of its release week 1.941 sold tickets in these 7 theaters (so F9 = 1.45x H&S at the moment). F9 is now everywhere in front except for Texas and San Francisco (fits to what @Menor said about the regions I think). H&S had a mediocre jump from Wednesday to Thursday and it was at 2.465 sold tickets on Thursday for Friday, so F9 is already in front today.
AQP II had on Wednesday for its previews on Thursday in the same 7 theaters 1.209 sold tickets.
Bad Boys for Life had on Thursday for Friday 1.893 sold tickets.
And It 2 had on Wednesday for Friday 3.272 sold tickets.

Just good! With halfway decent walk-ups I don't see it under 60M, not at all.

[DAJK]

2 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said:

Just for reference, gonna list Top 10 chains ratio pre-COVID of DOM box office.

 

AMC - 23.6%

REGAL - 17.7%

Cinemark - 13.7%

Cineplex - 6.5% 

Marcus - 2.8%

Harkins - 2% (33)

CMX - 1.6%

Showcase - 1.25% (28)

Alamo Drafthouse - 1.15%

Pacific - 1.05% (18)

Landmark - 1.05%

 

Megaplex - 0.6% (15)

 

The ratio is on average annually. Some chains are more frontloaded than others, e.g. Megaplex usually is 0.6% but for OW can be 1.1% even.

Woooo Canada!! 🇨🇦 

[Eric Prime]

https://deadline.com/2021/06/f9-advance-ticket-sales-2021-record-fandango-1234780295/

 

Quote

EXCLUSIVE: Here’s more specific details as to how the advance tickets sales are for Universal’s F9 heading into the weekend: The Justin Lin-directed sequel is bound to be the biggest pre-seller of 2021 to date for Fandango. Already, F9 is outpacing the opening weekend pre-sales of Paramount’s A Quiet Place Part II which continued on to post a 4-day debut of $57M.

When it comes to pre-sales, especially now during the pandemic, it’s hard for box office analysts to pinpoint how front-loaded a movie’s opening weekend will be. Safe opening projections for the Vin Diesel movie are between $50M-$60M, with wild forecasts north of $70M over 3-days.

Yes I'm aware this is a "no duh", but it's at least nice to know confirmation on this stuff.

[Inceptionzq]

On 6/22/2021 at 1:23 PM, Inceptionzq said:

Fast 9 Thursday Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

176

848

20.75%

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

186

2062

9.02%

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD PAST DAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
1255	199	15960	7.86%	15	89
$150 PWPs:	0
$200 PWPs:	0
$250 PWPs:	1
$300 PWPs:	1
Total	2

 

Showings added: 7

Seats added: 610

 

A Quiet Place 2 comp: 6.39M

Adjusted Hobbs comp: 9.18M

 

Pretty solid day. Pulled ahead of AQP2 in tickets sold over the past day, not quite yet at its rate of growth though.

Fast 9 Thursday Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

213

1610

13.23%

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

230

2245

10.24%

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD PAST DAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
1537	282	17156	8.96%	15	102
$150 PWPs:	0
$200 PWPs:	0
$250 PWPs:	1
$300 PWPs:	1
Total	2

 

Showings added: 13

Seats added: 1196

 

A Quiet Place 2 comp: 6.11M

Adjusted Hobbs comp: 7.85M

 

Another disappointing day. It'll need a huge day tomorrow. The downfall here are the AMCs, they are not performing up to par compared to my Cinemark theaters(or Cinemarks are just overperforming for whatever reason).

[Inceptionzq]

On 6/22/2021 at 1:49 PM, Inceptionzq said:

Black Widow Thursday Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

328

1980

16.57%

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

338

1939

17.43%

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD PAST DAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
1500	49	21278	7.05%	15	112
$150 PWPs:	2
$200 PWPs:	0
$250 PWPs:	0
$300 PWPs:	0
Total	2

 

TLK final count comp: 3.84M; adjusted: 3.11M

TRoS final count comp: 3.56M; adjusted: 3.07M

Black Widow Thursday Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

343

1980

17.32%

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

351

1939

18.10%

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD PAST DAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
1584	84	21278	7.44%	15	112
$150 PWPs:	2
$200 PWPs:	0
$250 PWPs:	0
$300 PWPs:	0
Total	2

 

TLK final count comp: 4.04M; adjusted: 3.27M

TRoS final count comp: 3.74M; adjusted: 3.23M