Lordmandeep Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, ChipMunky said: This is complete bullshit. This isn't an overreaction. Y'all act like people hate Disney. They're one of the most profitable companies in the world. People are reacting negatively because this is going to put a lot of people out of work, and will lead to a more noncompetitive market. Studios are already letting people go and some are shutting down whole divisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDerby Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said: Let's discuss things then without the "monopoly claims" and see what are the big franchises that other studios own nowadays. Not to get in needless arguments, I count as a "strong" franchise one that can make at least +$700m OS. -Warner Bros Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts DCEU comics. IT (?!) -Universal Jurrasic World Despicable Me/Minions Fast and Fourious -Sony Bond (!??) -Paramount Transformers (??!) And now let us look at disney; Star Wars Marvel Cinematic (what the owned before the deal) WDAS Pixar Live action adaptations of animated classics Avatar Spider Man X-men (Deadpool) Pirates of the Caribean I am really curious as to how you guys can see potential competition.. If you're going to lump the DCEU together, it's disingenuous to not do the same for Marvel. So really the list for Disney is: Star Wars Marvel WDAS Pixar Live-Action Disney Classics (only a few left) Avatar? (at least one more... maybe none after?) Pirates (will they really make more? the next might not make $700 mil WW) They're really only expanding Marvel's footprint, adding Avatar (which is already included in their parks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDerby Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: Studios are already letting people go and some are shutting down whole divisions. Oh you got me there. Guess layoffs are good now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Even with the Fox acquisition, Disney still doesn't hold a majority in the total 2017 market share. WB, Universal and Sony combine for more. While they are huge now, they're still not a monopoly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: Studios are already letting people go and some are shutting down whole divisions. Yes and, this is coming from the most anti-diverting of subject person on this board, the because something else is bad does not mean you people should evade that negative aspect of something, do not talk about something that kill 100 times more people that terrorism getting less effort to get fix because that does not comfort family of victims and diminish is importance. Now going around saying: This is not as worst than net-neutrality getting away Globalization and jobs outsourcing Some studio close section even without being acquired in cost saving synergy move... Can I ask about your total 180 on this subject versus most others, is it simple (and good for some people to have) contrarian reflex ? Or is there something else here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkshop36 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I follow Pablo Hildago on twitter and he said this in response to someone about the original theatrical versions of SW: Pretty sure we all know who he’s talking about. So, Disney getting the full rights back to ANH doesn’t mean we’ll be seeing the original versions any time soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) I will concede that, based on the studios' upcoming slates, Disney probably is going to dominate 2018. Edited December 14, 2017 by tribefan695 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomCat Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said: Let's discuss things then without the "monopoly claims" and see what are the big franchises that other studios own nowadays. Not to get in needless arguments, I count as a "strong" franchise one that can make at least +$700m WW. -Warner Bros Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts DCEU comics. IT (?!) -Universal Jurrasic World Despicable Me/Minions Fast and Fourious -Sony Bond (!??) -Paramount Transformers (??!) And now let us look at disney; Star Wars Marvel Cinematic (what the owned before the deal) WDAS Pixar Live action adaptations of animated classics Avatar Spider Man X-men (Deadpool) Pirates of the Caribean I am really curious as to how you guys can see potential competition.. Well, there are such things that are NOT 700M WW franchises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpospoke Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 57 minutes ago, Barnack said: Talking about the 2014 ? one, was it more watched because audience love it more than Whiplash or because it was a franchise movie with a giant marketing budget ? Is the percentage of people that watched Ninja Turtle and loved it higher than for Whiplash and the reason it made more ? Or it made more because of an higher first weekend because it had more screen and eyeballs before anyone saw the actual products ? The merchandises sales, sequels possible, China screens because their government say ok to them, movie universe start up possible are also variable that studio's consider, not purely what people want to watch and studios will have advantage to push movies that make those possible over movies that people would prefer, because they would still be more profitable overall. You can't be suggesting that Whiplash had the potential to be as big as a Turtles movie if only they had marketed it and put it in more theaters. Studios put movies in a certain number of theaters for a reason. And it's not because they have some hidden bias against the movies you like. You are trying to blame the studios for something the public controls. 15 minutes ago, ChipMunky said: This is complete bullshit. This isn't an overreaction. Y'all act like people hate Disney. They're one of the most profitable companies in the world. People are reacting negatively because this is going to put a lot of people out of work, and will lead to a more noncompetitive market. That would be more convincing if we had heard even a small amount of discussion about anything other than Disney during this entire thing. Comcast and Fox were barely mentioned. And of course WB and AT&T is fine too. No problems with that one apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, ChipMunky said: Oh you got me there. Guess layoffs are good now! Layoffs are not good, they are reality Which is something some people should try to be in time to time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmlover Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, That One Guy said: I guess this means A Cure for Wellness 2 ain’t happening Or Snatched: Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpireCity Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I'm not a fan of this move on pretty much any level. Disney is going to jack up rates on films and make it even less profitable to show movies. Disney is also one of the only studios that doesn't license out any of their older content and catalog for theatrical exhibition. If they are interested in this purchase so they can have content for their streaming service, then your ability to see older movies in theaters gets cut even further. No more showings of Alien movies, no showings of Die Hard or Home Alone at Christmas time, no showing of beautiful 35mm Planet of the Apes in theater, no Titanic showings, no The Sound of Music, no Fight Club, no Independence Day on 4th of July. Basically take away a wealth of content that still plays year after year and goes into the stupid fucking Disney vault. 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAR Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Hmm now Nakatomi Plaza can join iconic Disney buildings like Cinderella's Castle and Spaceship Earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, ChipMunky said: They're really only expanding Marvel's footprint, adding Avatar (which is already included in their parks). Planet of the Apes also I think, The Simpsons, X-men developed they own foot print in some market that is not linked to being Marvel/MCU I suspect, like in China, for that one is a bit more than simply expending (like if they would have got rights for property that never had successful movies, like the Fan 4) Smaller one but still make a franchise only year of release even easier than before: How to Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda Madagascar Alien Die Hard X-Files Predator etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannastop Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, DARth DAR said: Hmm now Nakatomi Plaza can join iconic Disney buildings like Cinderella's Castle and Spaceship Earth Yuk yuk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deja23 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said: Let's discuss things then without the "monopoly claims" and see what are the big franchises that other studios own nowadays. Not to get in needless arguments, I count as a "strong" franchise one that can make at least +$700m WW. -Warner Bros Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts DCEU comics. IT (?!) -Universal Jurrasic World Despicable Me/Minions Fast and Fourious -Sony Bond (!??) -Paramount Transformers (??!) And now let us look at disney; Star Wars Marvel Cinematic (what the owned before the deal) WDAS Pixar Live action adaptations of animated classics Avatar Spider Man X-men (Deadpool) Pirates of the Caribean I am really curious as to how you guys can see potential competition.. Spider-Man counts for Sony...they got the profit from any solo Spider-Man movie and are making other spider verse movies. Not sure the next Pirates can make $700m WW after the way the last one performed, unless we’re also including past movies. Then I’d include Middle Earth for WB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mredman Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said: Let's discuss things then without the "monopoly claims" and see what are the big franchises that other studios own nowadays. Not to get in needless arguments, I count as a "strong" franchise one that can make at least +$700m WW. -Warner Bros Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts DCEU comics. IT (?!) -Universal Jurrasic World Despicable Me/Minions Fast and Fourious -Sony Bond (!??) -Paramount Transformers (??!) And now let us look at disney; Star Wars Marvel Cinematic (what the owned before the deal) WDAS Pixar Live action adaptations of animated classics Avatar Spider Man X-men (Deadpool) Pirates of the Caribean I am really curious as to how you guys can see potential competition.. Warner owns LotR too and Game of Thrones and all produced HBO productions But yeah this is bad. I can not see how this is allowed that Disney is becoming a monopoly with this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heat Vision Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, tribefan695 said: I will concede that, based on the studios' upcoming slates, Disney probably is going to dominate 2018. Black Panther, Infinity War and Ant-man & Wasp combined will be at least 3 billion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDerby Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, Harpospoke said: You can't be suggesting that Whiplash had the potential to be as big as a Turtles movie if only they had marketed it and put it in more theaters. Studios put movies in a certain number of theaters for a reason. And it's not because they have some hidden bias against the movies you like. You are trying to blame the studios for something the public controls. That would be more convincing if we had heard even a small amount of discussion about anything other than Disney during this entire thing. Comcast and Fox were barely mentioned. And of course WB and AT&T is fine too. No problems with that one apparently. A lot of people had an issue with WB trying to buy AT&T. But AT&T also doesn't make movies, thus it wasn't a heated discussion here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mredman Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, EmpireCity said: I'm not a fan of this move on pretty much any level. Disney is going to jack up rates on films and make it even less profitable to show movies. Disney is also one of the only studios that doesn't license out any of their older content and catalog for theatrical exhibition. If they are interested in this purchase so they can have content for their streaming service, then your ability to see older movies in theaters gets cut even further. No more showings of Alien movies, no showings of Die Hard or Home Alone at Christmas time, no showing of beautiful 35mm Planet of the Apes in theater, no Titanic showings, no The Sound of Music, no Fight Club, no Independence Day on 4th of July. Basically take away a wealth of content that still plays year after year and goes into the stupid fucking Disney vault. Is this even allowed because of monopoly laws ? because with this deal Disney rule BO forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
