baumer Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 That is a dreadful drop for The Last Jedi. There are tons of schools that are still out right now and that should be softening the blow. There's no way Jumanji will drop that much. Not based on what I saw at my theater yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Captain Craig said: Only on the internet do I hear complaints. The multiple people I've spoken to wholly enjoy the film AND they knew of the RT score. They couldn't relate. I'd be more likely to say there is a camp that still blindly trusts RT too much vs actual WOM. its 2018, people talk on the internet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Captain Craig said: Only on the internet do I hear complaints. The multiple people I've spoken to wholly enjoy the film AND they knew of the RT score. They couldn't relate. I'd be more likely to say there is a camp that still blindly trusts RT too much vs actual WOM. Wom is definitely split. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Craig Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Lordmandeep said: its 2018, people talk on the internet. I get what you're saying but we are still outliers. Not everyone whittles away time on boards like this. They do still check something like RT though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Craig Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, baumer said: Wom is definitely split. Again, I haven't seen that. I know one guy, die hard SW fan and he still said "Thumbs Up, but barely". That's the harshest personal comment I've seen on the film. My anecdotal range of folks doesn't see the hate for this film some camps are on about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, baumer said: That is a dreadful drop for The Last Jedi. There are tons of schools that are still out right now and that should be softening the blow. There's no way Jumanji will drop that much. Not based on what I saw at my theater yesterday. The weekly drops are pretty much identical to Rogue One on the same Tuesday/Wednesday. Problem is the 2017 movies in general have a lot more holiday boost than the 2016 movies on these particular weekdays. Excluding Star Wars, the other Top 11 movies were down 53% from Tuesday to Tuesday last year. This year they are down only 40%, so TLJ dropping 72% from Tuesday to Tuesday is not good compared to Rogue's 72% drop. Likewise the 76% drop from Wednesday to Wednesday is the same issue. It should be holding quite a bit better from last week than Rogue One during this period. Edited January 4, 2018 by redfirebird2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Captain Craig said: I get what you're saying but we are still outliers. Not everyone whittles away time on boards like this. They do still check something like RT though. It simple, TFA and RO had haters but the internet scores still rated them well. What makes TLJ different? Alt-Right? I think they were around 2 years ago and last year. Edited January 4, 2018 by Lordmandeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langer Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, Captain Craig said: Which is a stellar number. A massive success. Just because people had outrageous expectations doesn't mean the film has done poorly as some would have you think. It's also a stellar drop from TFA and terrible legs for a December movie. It will still be very profitable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Craig Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, Lordmandeep said: It simple, TFA and RO had haters but the internet still rated them well. What makes TLJ different? Internet Haters on message boards is not the problem. That's why I don't attribute TLJ to this cause but Tomatoes. Force Awakens audience score 88% Rogue One audience score 87% Last Jedi audience score 55% The disparity in these scores is mind boggling and the closest most people ever get to "internet wom". So wide a range are they it causes me to doubt the legitimacy of TLJ audience tally. Heck, how do you even leave an audience rating? I've looked and don't see how to do so. I lean towards 'bots' affecting this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Craig Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, langer said: It's also a stellar drop from TFA and terrible legs for a December movie. It will still be very profitable. Stellar drops are the coming norm. Wait till everyone sees that Avatar 2 drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, Captain Craig said: Internet Haters on message boards is not the problem. That's why I don't attribute TLJ to this cause but Tomatoes. Force Awakens audience score 88% Rogue One audience score 87% Last Jedi audience score 55% The disparity in these scores is mind boggling and the closest most people ever get to "internet wom". So wide a range are they it causes me to doubt the legitimacy of TLJ audience tally. Heck, how do you even leave an audience rating? I've looked and don't see how to do so. I lean towards 'bots' affecting this score. IMDB is already at 7.6 and a more balanced reading of this film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Captain Craig said: Internet Haters on message boards is not the problem. That's why I don't attribute TLJ to this cause but Tomatoes. Force Awakens audience score 88% Rogue One audience score 87% Last Jedi audience score 55% The disparity in these scores is mind boggling and the closest most people ever get to "internet wom". So wide a range are they it causes me to doubt the legitimacy of TLJ audience tally. Heck, how do you even leave an audience rating? I've looked and don't see how to do so. I lean towards 'bots' affecting this score. It's 50%, but setting that aside...bots are definitely impacting that audience score. Bots are not impacting the box office and it will have a multiplier decline of 23-24% from Force Awakens. Ultron's multiplier declined 20% from Avengers. TDKR's multiplier declined 17.5% from TDK. Do you believe Ultron or TDKR had the same WOM as Avengers or TDK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: It simple, TFA and RO had haters but the internet scores still rated them well. What makes TLJ different? Alt-Right? I think they were around 2 years ago and last year. Yes they were. I remember that they first called for RO boycott cause of female lead and minority casting. Then the movie came out, they found out the female lead and all minorities keeled over so they changed the tune and started to campaign to put butts in RO seats. Influence on boxoffice in both cases? ZERO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Craig Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Lordmandeep said: IMDB is already at 7.6 and a more balanced reading of this film. That would be relevant only in a world where IMDB is actually a sought out source by casual moviegoers. IMDB is not used in promotional materials for films. RottenTomatoes on the other hand has a much larger saturation. I've said what I feel are factors for TLJ's receipt drop. If WOM is mixed, I've not seen it and must only be on the Venn diagram side where it's positive. Reduced repeat viewings cause SW just isn't the "event film" it used to be with several lined up. A commercially impactful site with a disparity number that casual folk would see, snap shot analyze as negative and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 With that hold for wed, I am officially on the under TA bandwagon. Gonna drop below RO numbers for probably the rest of its run soon. That added 79m from the same point. 610-620 is where I think it’s headed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Craig Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, redfirebird2008 said: It's 50%, but setting that aside...bots are definitely impacting that audience score. Bots are not impacting the box office and it will have a multiplier decline of 23-24% from Force Awakens. Ultron's multiplier declined 20% from Avengers. TDKR's multiplier declined 17.5% from TDK. Do you believe Ultron or TDKR had the same WOM as Avengers or TDK? Bots impacting score negatively = impacting butts in seats I recall mixed WOM in my circle on both films. Neither with the outright vitriol I see on message boards for TLJ. The audience score on both films is higher than I got a sense of at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REC Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: It simple, TFA and RO had haters but the internet scores still rated them well. What makes TLJ different? Alt-Right? I think they were around 2 years ago and last year. This is definitely not about the alt-right and I bristle at any suggestion that it is. All of my friends and family are liberals or in the liberal-socialist spectrum, and I don't know anyone who likes it. Dear lord this is not about the alt-right. I do have one friend who goes on about the SJW and misguided kathleen kennedy aspects of the story, but those aren't my problems with the movie. In fact I think that's all pretty ridiculous, some of my favorite movies of all time are the kill bill series (those films, especially the first one, emasculate all the men right out of the picture and make everything about female-centric concerns and issues). And all that was over a decade ago. I have no problems with a movie where women run the show, either in front of the camera or behind it. Some of us just think the movie has very real editing, pacing and story problems. Not to mention inconsistencies in how the characters that we grew to love in TFA were now being portrayed in TLJ. Those problems have nothing to do with ruining any childhoods, since I'm only talking about the very real issues it has as a sequel to a movie 2 years old. But the bottom line is tons of people have a lot of problems with this movie for a range of reasons. Some of these reasons I find pretty illegitimate, like the superfans wanting more "badass lightsaber battles" or the aforementioned SJW injections. I don't care about any of that stuff. But it is at a minimum divisive and rubbing a bunch of people the wrong way, even if they can't articulate it very well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Also gonna be a sweet sweet victory when IW beats TLJ DOM this summer. Quote me. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Captain Craig said: Bots impacting score negatively = impacting butts in seats I recall mixed WOM in my circle on both films. Neither with the outright vitriol I see on message boards for TLJ. The audience score on both films is higher than I got a sense of at the time. Both of them received an "A" Cinemascore, same as Last Jedi. You need incredible WOM to hold really strong from a record breaking movie. Spidey 2 had incredible WOM, many strongly believed it was a better movie than Spidey 1. It dropped 7.5% from Spidey 1's domestic total. I think Ultron, TDKR, and TLJ all have good WOM with general audiences. But "good" is not quite enough when the previous movie had incredible WOM and record-breaking box office. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narniadis Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I don't see how this is a bad number - Throughout the week more schools are in session and frankly that is basically a normal Wednesday drop which doesn't look out of place. But I have been wrong many times the last few weeks so what do I know. One thing to keep in mind about the Friday increases this time around is that Thursday previews have messed up how Fridays work in comparison to films pre-2012. Not sure it will make a big difference but it does need to be considered. Otherwise - I guess we need to see the rest of the top 10 in order to fully judge Jedi's drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
