AVENGERS ENDGAME | 1939.4 M overseas ● 2797.8 M worldwide

[Permanent Magnet]

9 minutes ago, Zatt Hawkguy Murdock said:

Disney needs Avengers: Endgame to take the record more than ever now. Those The Lion King reviews... ouch.

Wait, was TLK their second chance at the record

[ZattMurdock]

16 minutes ago, Permanent Magnet said:

Wait, was TLK their second chance at the record

No, I mean that bad reviews could potentially hurt the box office of The Lion King and even potential sequels, and that means it’s bad for Disney as a company.

[john2000]

26 minutes ago, Zatt Hawkguy Murdock said:

No, I mean that bad reviews could potentially hurt the box office of The Lion King and even potential sequels, and that means it’s bad for Disney as a company.

you put wait too much value on this, you shouldnt

[ZattMurdock]

5 minutes ago, john2000 said:

you put wait too much value on this, you shouldnt

Huh. We are on a box office message board. 

[Doctor Stark]

Just now, Zatt Hawkguy Murdock said:

Huh. We are on a box office message board. 

It would be great press either way, even better for Disney if The Lion King is a bit disappointing with its performance. 

Edited July 11, 2019 by Doctor Stark

[Doctor Stark]

Honestly The Lion King shows how much we take the MCU for granted. People were mad that Far From Home started at 85%. Even though it soon did crawl to 90%+.

[ZattMurdock]

1 minute ago, Doctor Stark said:

It would be great press either way, even better for Disney if The Lion King is a bit disappointing with its performance. 

How it would be better for Disney if the performance of TLK is a bit disappointing?

[john2000]

2 minutes ago, Zatt Hawkguy Murdock said:

Huh. We are on a box office message board. 

you didnt understand my point, my point wasnt that you shouldnt care for the reviews, but that you shouldnt change your predictions completly bc the critics didnt like it as much, recent example is aladdin, if audiences like/love the lion king, then the affect will be minimal in the long run, that was my point

[Doctor Stark]

Just now, Zatt Hawkguy Murdock said:

How it would be better for Disney if the performance of TLK is a bit disappointing?

It wouldn’t be, that was poor wording. I meant the passing Avatar news would be even better than before because it would distract from a "disappointment" for Disney. Instead of just being good press, it also helps people ignore an "underperformance" by The Lion King. It would be better for them if the movie did super well, but the passing Avatar news can be an even greater tool for Disney if The Lion King disappoints.

[ZattMurdock]

Just now, john2000 said:

you didnt understand my point, my point wasnt that you shouldnt care for the reviews, but that you shouldnt change your predictions completly bc the critics didnt like it as much, recent example is aladdin, if audiences like/love the lion king, then the affect will be minimal in the long run, that was my point

That’s not how this works. Yes Aladdin is an unmitigated success, and audiences clearly embrace it over the critics, you are definitely correct on that. But the effects - however mild - of the lackluster reviews will be felt. I don’t see how TLK miss $1B, but after these reviews I’d be surprised if it makes to $1.5B, let alone over Titanic like some box office clubs that were made on the main board. 

 

It’s a shame because Jon Favreau is a great director and I wish this had succeeded critically for him as well. The critics seem specially harsh on the "lack of vision" part. I have no doubt that The Lion King will make money, but not as much as it potentially could. 

[ZattMurdock]

8 minutes ago, Doctor Stark said:

It wouldn’t be, that was poor wording. I meant the passing Avatar news would be even better than before because it would distract from a "disappointment" for Disney. Instead of just being good press, it also helps people ignore an "underperformance" by The Lion King. It would be better for them if the movie did super well, but the passing Avatar news can be an even greater tool for Disney if The Lion King disappoints.

Sure, got you.

[john2000]

1 minute ago, Zatt Hawkguy Murdock said:

That’s not how this works. Yes Aladdin is an unmitigated success, and audiences clearly embrace it over the critics, you are definitely correct on that. But the effects - however mild - of the lackluster reviews will be felt. I don’t see how TLK miss $1B, but after these reviews I’d be surprised if it makes to $1.5B, let alone over Titanic like some box office clubs that were made on the main board. 

 

It’s a shame because Jon Favreau is a great director and I wish this had succeeded critically for him as well. The critics seem specially harsh on the "lack of vision" part. I have no doubt that The Lion King will make money, but not as much as it potentially could. 

again my point was that the affect, from critics review will NOT worth 500 million dollars

[ZattMurdock]

1 minute ago, john2000 said:

again my point was that the affect, from critics review will NOT worth 500 million dollars

It’s not just about the critics tho. If the critics are being harsh, there is a reason for that. That hurts box office legs, no two ways around that. Sure there are instances like Aladdin that put that to check, but Aladdin would far even better with better critical acclaim. I’m not saying that it won’t happen the same that it’s happening with Aladdin: it’s definitely likely to gross more than Aladdin. But the question is: by how much? 

[Menor the Destroyer]

1 minute ago, Zatt Hawkguy Murdock said:

It’s not just about the critics tho. If the critics are being harsh, there is a reason for that. That hurts box office legs, no two ways around that. Sure there are instances like Aladdin that put that to check, but Aladdin would far even better with better critical acclaim. I’m not saying that it won’t happen the same that it’s happening with Aladdin: it’s definitely likely to gross more than Aladdin. But the question is: by how much? 

Depends. For example one big critical complaint is that Lion King doesn't deviate much from the original. I'd argue that's more likely to help WOM/box office than it is to hurt. Your point about the critical reception is generally correct but there are some exceptions.

[Moses]

EG Wednesday 384k

-24% good hold

[ZattMurdock]

13 minutes ago, a2k said:

		Movie	Distributor	Gross	Change	Thtrs.	Per Thtr.	Total Gross	Days
1	(1)	Spider-Man: Far From Home	Sony Pictures	$9,250,000	-39%	4,634	$1,996	$220,325,421	9
-	(2)	Toy Story 4	Walt Disney	$4,305,709	-35%	4,540	$948	$321,273,472	20
-	(3)	Annabelle Comes Home	Warner Bros.	$1,201,246	-33%	3,613	$332	$54,107,002	15
-	(5)	Aladdin	Walt Disney	$1,103,436	-32%	2,758	$400	$324,443,289	48
-	(8)	Men in Black: International	Sony Pictures	$500,000	-30%	2,716	$184	$73,819,958	27
-	(9)	Avengers: Endgame	Walt Disney	$384,327	-24%	1,985	$194	$849,153,234	76
-	(10)	Rocketman	Paramount Pictures	$305,123	-21%	1,409	$217	$89,982,181	41
-	(13)	Godzilla: King of the Monsters	Warner Bros.	$113,077	-25%	721	$157	$108,641,374	41
-	(-)	Pavarotti	CBS Films	$70,518	+1%	250	$282	$3,171,032	34
-	(14)	Shaft	Warner Bros.	$66,127	-37%	439	$151	$20,325,476	27
-	(15)	Dark Phoenix	20th Century Fox	$54,065	-34%	426	$127	$64,836,778	34
-	(-)	Pokémon: Detective Pikachu	Warner Bros.	$39,235	-16%	247	$159	$143,188,079	62
-	(-)	The Other Side of Heaven 2:…	ArtAffects	$30,478	-50%	179	$170	$1,098,063	13
-	(-)	Dumbo	Walt Disney	$10,035	-15%	103	$97	$114,577,921	104
-	(-)	Shazam!	Warner Bros.	$8,204	-8%	104	$79	$140,230,073	97

Great hold for Avengers: Endgame’s Wednesday. I think Charlie was saying $300k with his riddle yesterday? Either way, that’s a -38,5% drop from last Wednesday, which was already inflated by the July 4th holiday.

[Moses]

What are the expected number of theaters for EG this weekend?

[ZattMurdock]

42 minutes ago, Moses said:

What are the expected number of theaters for EG this weekend?

At first I thought that $2m was unrealistic after a $3.012m weekend. Now I kinda think $1.7-2m is possible.

 

$350k Thu

$480k Fri

$780k Sat

$520k Sun

 

$1.78m weekend.

[ZattMurdock]

 

So much for losing all theaters after July 11. That's a pretty fucking decent theater gold for weekend 11.

[Hemo memo]

4 minutes ago, Zatt Hawkguy Murdock said:

 

So much for losing all theaters after July 11. That's a pretty fucking decent theater gold for weekend 11.

Didn’t you heard? Disney is pulling the movie out from theaters for no reason.