Weekend Thread | Transformers $25.6M FRI

[Starphanluke]

Can someone explain to me (because I'm an idiot) why that's a meh Sat bump for Spider-Verse, but good for Transformers?

[Bobzaruni]

3 minutes ago, Starphanluke said:

Can someone explain to me (because I'm an idiot) why that's a meh Sat bump for Spider-Verse, but good for Transformers?

2nd saturday vs 1st saturday

[Mulder]

@MovieMan89 still think this is going sub-200 worldwide?

[Bobzaruni]

IC2 comparison still roughly on point, Spider-Verse way way stronger hold Thurs and Fri, slightly behind today.

 

Weekday 1 and Weekend 2 holds (From Monday)

[June 2] Spider-Verse: -58.4%, +15.5%, -26.2%, -8.1%, +62.7%, +27%~ (vs Transformers: Rise of the Beasts)

[June 15] Incredibles 2: -55%, +14.5%, -27.1%, -17.2%, +47.8%, +30% (vs Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom)

Edited June 11, 2023 by Bobzaruni

[Starphanluke]

49 minutes ago, Bobzaruni said:

2nd saturday vs 1st saturday

Oh, duh

[eXtacy]

Thought 400m was locked on the friday number. Not anymore for spider. Especially with direct competition next week.

 

Might end up 20m higher than GOTG3.

[IronJimbo & Sheldon's Son]

Disappointing Sat jump for verse, was hoping for $24m+. Looks like 800m WW is off the table, will have to crawl its way to 700 and 400 DOM.

[Eric Prime]

2 hours ago, Into the Legion-Verse said:

Transformers killed Spiderverse, it’s joever

It is Pride Month when you think about it 🤔 

[CJohn]

Transformers looking at a 160-170M DOM total. Needs 330-340M OS for a sequel to be on the cards.

[WorkingonaName]

Probs gets a sequel purely because Paramount as nothing else besides cruise. 

[Cooper Legion]

10 minutes ago, Eric Prime said:

It is Pride Month when you think about it 🤔 

I made this joke on telegram days ago, great minds 😎

[reddevil19]

38 minutes ago, CJohn said:

Transformers looking at a 160-170M DOM total. Needs 330-340M OS for a sequel to be on the cards.

This is 100% getting a sequel. Or, at the very least, there will be some form of a new Transformers movie, be it a direct sequel, spin-off, sequel to the Bay movies or whatever. Between Bumblebee and this, there does seem to be a fairly high floor for the series, relatively speaking. And they've built up a bit more goodwill with these last two efforts (even if Beats isn't a GOOD movie per se). There's still way too much potential with the series, and can go quite bonkers with the next one, if they actually follow through on the ending.

[Liiviig 1998]

44 minutes ago, CJohn said:

Transformers looking at a 160-170M DOM total. Needs 330-340M OS for a sequel to be on the cards.

I can see them doing it if these does 450m+ . Reception is pretty solid across the board. Let's wait and see legs but this weekend shows there is still some life in this franchise but they definitely need to get a better script if a sequel happens. 

 

 

 

[Starphanluke]

18 minutes ago, reddevil19 said:

This is 100% getting a sequel. Or, at the very least, there will be some form of a new Transformers movie, be it a direct sequel, spin-off, sequel to the Bay movies or whatever. Between Bumblebee and this, there does seem to be a fairly high floor for the series, relatively speaking. And they've built up a bit more goodwill with these last two efforts (even if Beats isn't a GOOD movie per se). There's still way too much potential with the series, and can go quite bonkers with the next one, if they actually follow through on the ending.

There's the animated movie coming for sure next year. Maybe they'll take the wait-and-see until after that one to know if there's long-term interest in the franchise.

[Willowra]

4 hours ago, THUNDER BIRD said:

W for cinema

I agree with you, Feige has made Spider-Man bigger than even Avengers by ignoring Avengers franchise in phase 4 & 5. Spider-Man drags down every project that comes close to it. Shang-Chi, Eternals, and Matrix were released close to NWH, and NWH took audiences away from all these movies. Two of these three flopped, and SC barely broke even. The same story repeated itself again in 2023, with SV released close to TLM, Transformers, and The Flash, dragging down all these movies. Even a Batman movie will flop or underperform if WB releases it close to a Spider-Man movie.

[reddevil19]

15 minutes ago, Willowra said:

I agree with you, Feige has made Spider-Man bigger than even Avengers by ignoring Avengers franchise in phase 4 & 5. Spider-Man drags down every project that comes close to it. Shang-Chi, Eternals, and Matrix were released close to NWH, and NWH took audiences away from all these movies. Two of these three flopped, and SC barely broke even. The same story repeated itself again in 2023, with SV released close to TLM, Transformers, and The Flash, dragging down all these movies. Even a Batman movie will flop or underperform if WB releases it close to a Spider-Man movie.

What? You're saying that not only does a Spider-man movie's legs affect what comes immediately after, but the anticipation for it is SOOOO big that it stops people going to watch movies even if they're part of the same franchise, 3 and a half months before it's released? What a hot take. 

[Willowra]

3 minutes ago, reddevil19 said:

What? You're saying that not only does a Spider-man movie's legs affect what comes immediately after, but the anticipation for it is SOOOO big that it stops people going to watch movies even if they're part of the same franchise, 3 and a half months before it's released? What a hot take. 

Yes, because SM's multiverse storyline was the most important thing for people, and movies like Eternals and SC, which weren't connected to the multiverse storyline, became less important or unimportant for the audience. If they had released an Avengers movie instead of NWH, it would have helped the box office of both SC and Eternals.

[kayumanggi]

Great for RISE OF THE BEASTS!

[reddevil19]

4 minutes ago, Willowra said:

Yes, because SM's multiverse storyline was the most important thing for people, and movies like Eternals and SC, which weren't connected to the multiverse storyline, became less important or unimportant for the audience. If they had released an Avengers movie instead of NWH, it would have helped the box office of both SC and Eternals.

Nah man. I get the argument of interest in one property and lack of interest in the other but your overall argument makes no sense. People didn't give much of a shit about SC, BW, Eternals (partly because return to cinemas wasn't yet 100%) because they just didn't click. Having an Avengers film instead of NWH would have done fuck all for those movies. The only way your argument makes sense is if an Avengers movie setting up those characters came first, to raise their profile. But we already saw how Marvel did it in phase 1 - good but not amazing returns for the introductory films, bring them together later for big bucks. 

 

It's similar with Spider-Verse now. That movie is floating on a lot of love for the first movie, as well as the MCU version. Even so, Flash, Indiana Jones and Transformers could do similar numbers to it if people cared. And people don't care about them not because of Spider-Man being too big, but because they're genuinely not interesting on the same level. Flash is part of a dead franchise, with an endless number of bad movies preceding it, with a long and troubled production that ensured any enthusiasm died a long time ago, Indy already had a nostalgic sequel but it was badly received to the point it poisoned this movie, and Transformers has been declining for the last 3 movies (and still ended up opening better than a lot expected). And don't even get me started on a Matrix movie no one wanted (not even the creators), part of a franchise where only the first movie was well liked, with the third dropping massively at the vox office and with a home release same day.

 

None of this is on Spider-Man alone. It's a very big whale in a sea populated by clown fish, not some kind of box office black hole.

[Claudio]

53 minutes ago, Willowra said:

I agree with you, Feige has made Spider-Man bigger than even Avengers by ignoring Avengers franchise in phase 4 & 5. Spider-Man drags down every project that comes close to it. Shang-Chi, Eternals, and Matrix were released close to NWH, and NWH took audiences away from all these movies. Two of these three flopped, and SC barely broke even. The same story repeated itself again in 2023, with SV released close to TLM, Transformers, and The Flash, dragging down all these movies. Even a Batman movie will flop or underperform if WB releases it close to a Spider-Man movie.

GotG3 just released 5 weeks ago and it still became a hit bro…. And will finish above SV WW.