THE UNMARVELOUS WEEKEND THREAD | FEATURING MELTDOWNS, ARMCHAIR ANALYSIS, AND SEXISM

[Cap]

11 minutes ago, CJohn said:

and nobody will read all of this text.

I read it. 

[WorkingonaName]

 

9 minutes ago, ringedmortality said:

 

Him getting ultra famous fucked his braincells

The first known case of Cocaine harming artistic output. 

[cannastop]

 

 

 

 

[Kon]

40 minutes ago, Barnack said:

I wonder how much of the target audience had a peacock subscription

Probably very few. And even if they had Peacock, they might prefer to see FNAF in the cinema.

 

Still, the point is that people were interested in seeing this movie. Therefore, FNAF one got an 80M OW Domestic without any cast promotion.

 

The fact The Marvels OW Domestic wouldn't be close to that shows the lack of interest in the MCU brand and Captain Marvel. 

Edited November 13, 2023 by Kon

[Mr Impossible]

I think the movie would’ve made more $$$ if they just straight up did a Captain Marvel 2. People were confused with this movie being a direct sequel or not. 

[MovieMan89]

25 minutes ago, DInky said:

 

What is this international number over at Boxofficemojo?

Ahh, just saw the-numbers OS. Even I was wondering about it being that low  

[ringedmortality]

1 minute ago, Mr Impossible said:

I think the movie would’ve made more $$$ if they just straight up did a Captain Marvel 2. People were confused with this movie being a direct sequel or not. 

 

This is a straight up Captain Marvel 2.

[Barnack]

29 minutes ago, CJohn said:

The franchise is 15 years old and it is no longer appealing/accessible to a younger generation (video games adaptations are the present/future), and with the youngs not caring and the older crowd only caring about the older heroes you have an issue at hands;

Black panther did 181m when the franchise was 14 years old and both first movie were just 1 year apart, Gran Turismo did 44 millions domestic in total.

 

In that sense I wonder if a Captain Marvel 2 movie would not have been much easier to sales, every thing post Endgames or on TV could have that challenge, but they had a billion dollars established brand during peak MCU they could have easily used.

 

  

1 minute ago, ringedmortality said:

 

This is a straight up Captain Marvel 2.

 

The poster called The Marvels, does not seem to future flying jets, does not seem to be set in the 90s I could not tell you the link between the 2 movies after watching the trailer outside that the Captain Marvel character is in it.

Edited November 13, 2023 by Barnack

[MovieMan89]

This is not the Wii U situation, where people weren’t sure if it was a new thing or just a Wii upgrade from the name. Everyone knew this was a new Captain Marvel movie, the end. 

Edited November 13, 2023 by MovieMan89

[Mr Impossible]

2 minutes ago, ringedmortality said:

 

This is a straight up Captain Marvel 2.

No it’s The Marvels. It’s Captain Marvel and 2 unknowns she shares a movie with.

[MysteryMovieMogul]

4 hours ago, Barnack said:

It would be a rare live event thing that did not move at all in the last 50 years (at least in the US):

 

Cheaper than in 1971 according to the MPAA (the conversation like many could be driven by NY-Los angeles ticket price), would we compare to music or sport live ticket pricing....

First of all, this leaves out the "convenience fee" added to buying tickets online.

 

Second, I'm looking at the General Admission price for my local theater in a town of ~70k people. It's $13.25, about three dollars above the average movie ticket price.

[Arlborn]

1 hour ago, keysersoze123 said:

 

Common Stephen King win right there. I’ll never get the hater mentality for creative projects.

 

30 minutes ago, CJohn said:

While I do think there is a larger share of men interested in CBMs than woman, it is reductive and non-sensical to point that as a main factor for The Marvels self-destruction. It is non-sensical to even point it as a factor at all. The massive bombage of The Marvels is not related to wokeness or woman front and center at all, even if unfortunately it will lead to thousands online saying "go woke, get broke" or whatever. I could write an essay on why The Marvels (and the MCU) are imploding:

- The franchise is 15 years old and it is no longer appealing/accessible to a younger generation (video games adaptations are the present/future), and with the youngs not caring and the older crowd only caring about the older heroes you have an issue at hands;

- TV made it like a homework to follow, it caused fatigue and made Marvel not seem like an event anymore;

- Too many teases that made it too big to follow and keep track of everything (I watch everything religiously and for the life of me I couldn't remember how Monica got her powers, besides knowing it happened in Wandavision);

- Movies and TV shows became too interconnected, making everything important, if nobody watched Ms Marvel, Wandavision and Secret Invasion supposedly you wouldn't get The Marvels;

- With the insane increase in amount of stuff to watch, Marvel started to release duds left and right (on both the TV and movies side), the Marvel brand was no longer synonimous with BANGER;

- Quantumania was hyped as the start of the Phase 5, the big return to form of Marvel and the Multiverse Saga, and it ended up as the worst Marvel movie for most and really killed the hype for the brand, which was already under problems because of the 2022 lineup (She-Hulk and Moon Knight had mixed receptions, nobody watched Ms Marvel despite good WOM, Multiverse of Madness was hyped as something it was not causing badwill, Love & Thunder another weak sequel that nobody really liked and in the middle of all of this you had Wakanda Forever, which did have a good reception but it was not enough to lift the entire boat)

- Theatrical is no longer what it was, people are not going just to pass time, you either CARE or you wait for streaming.

 

I could go on and on about this but honestly I have written way too much and nobody will read all of this text. In the end, I will leave with an idea I have read somewhere else like a year ago that really explains how I think most feel about the MCU nowadays: The MCU after Endgame feels like a game you love where you finished the main story and now you are trying to extend it by doing all the side quests, but it doesn't feel the same anymore.

No yeah, I read all that and you pretty much summed up the biggest reasons and mistakes. There were others, minor ones that slowly piled up and made it a death by a thousand cuts, but I feel like you’re definitely right about the major ones.

 

Especially the TV side of things stuff, glad to see Disney already changing that with Echo.

[Kon]

5 minutes ago, Mr Impossible said:

No it’s The Marvels. It’s Captain Marvel and 2 unknowns she shares a movie with.

 

It was still the movie where Captain Marvel was one of the leads. And the promotion focus on her, because the other two wouldn't really help with the box office

 

Also, it has been years since the last time we saw Captain Marvel/Carol. If there was interest on the character, people will likely go to see the movie.

Edited November 13, 2023 by Kon

[Barnack]

1 minute ago, MysteryMovieMogul said:

It's $13.25, about three dollars above the average movie ticket price.

And here it is under $8.50:

https://www.cinemark.com/TicketSeatMap/?TheaterId=371&ShowtimeId=449062&CinemarkMovieId=94792&Showtime=2023-11-12T18:30:00

 

I am not sure what are we supposed to do with those 2 anecdote and value them more than NATO calculated average price or AMC declared average movie ticket price (a chain with Imax and Dolby extra charge rooms) in their annual financial declaration.

[ListenHunnyUrOver]

9 minutes ago, Mr Impossible said:

No it’s The Marvels. It’s Captain Marvel and 2 unknowns she shares a movie with.

Captain Marvel 2 would’ve bombed as well

[junkshop36]

I could go on and on about this but honestly I have written way too much and nobody will read all of this text. 
 

 

Hey, I read the whole thing and I completely agree. I’d give it a like but I ran out of likes for the day lol. 
 

 

 

 

[MovieMan89]

I could’ve sworn one of our insiders with access to a lot of this data told us last year already ATP was over $12… 

[MysteryMovieMogul]

12 minutes ago, Barnack said:

And here it is under $8.50:

https://www.cinemark.com/TicketSeatMap/?TheaterId=371&ShowtimeId=449062&CinemarkMovieId=94792&Showtime=2023-11-12T18:30:00

 

I am not sure what are we supposed to do with those 2 anecdote and value them more than NATO calculated average price or AMC declared average movie ticket price (a chain with Imax and Dolby extra charge rooms) in their annual financial declaration.

Wow, it costs $1.85 extra to buy a ticket online? Before tax, that $8.25 ticket is now $10.10 if you're not an AMC member.

 

Once again, you're forgetting about the convenience fees that are now a new normal. No one should have to pay 21% extra to buy a ticket online.

Edited November 13, 2023 by MysteryMovieMogul

[CJohn]

The Marvels entire hook was "come see this team of superheroes!". The entire marketing was this. They had nothing else to sell. And if your entire marketing rests on a team up where people don't care about 2 of the 3 members... (this goes back to the points of TV/too much content/duds/MCU getting too dense I made in the previous page).

 

An ACTUAL Captain Marvel 2 with the storyline of Secret Invasion where you have Brie and SLJ front and center would easily make 750-900M WW. Now that would be a great hook. In this timeline Marvel never branched to TV. Of course, we aren't in this timeline.

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

6 minutes ago, Barnack said:

And here it is under $8.50:

https://www.cinemark.com/TicketSeatMap/?TheaterId=371&ShowtimeId=449062&CinemarkMovieId=94792&Showtime=2023-11-12T18:30:00

 

I am not sure what are we supposed to do with those 2 anecdote and value them more than NATO calculated average price or AMC declared average movie ticket price (a chain with Imax and Dolby extra charge rooms) in their annual financial declaration.

Locally, non-discounted evening prices for The Marvels range anywhere from $6.75 (2D, minor theater chain) to $18.00 (IMAX at the biggest AMC), pretax. Why not believe what NATO and the theater chains say about prices? They see the whole country and would know better than most.

 

The price of movie/music streaming services (for what they offer) only contributes to the perception of individual movie tickets costing too much.