vale9001 Posted Sunday at 07:22 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:22 PM The casting for captain america is wrong. The character already appeared as main character in a TV series. Which gives to the movie the vibe of a sequel of a TV series, not a movie event. Also probably their idea was if people know a character from previous films It helps.. while for me the idea to discover a new character-actor is what makes an origin story palatable. In this way you lose all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlatLannister Posted Sunday at 07:27 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:27 PM 1 hour ago, YM! said: I am thinking low $500m like the first Iron Man, and around where Batman Begins adjusts too with a ceiling around $700-750m if everything goes well. Floor is like $350m. Think one advantage of Superman that everyone is overlooking is he was the hero. If marketing is strong and reviews and hype is there, it wont go as low as some think. Don't think 1b can happen, but simultaneously I don't think sub 250m is realistic. CBMs no longer have a floor. A month ago, many would have said the floor for Joker 2 was $500M WW. If Superman doesn't resonate with the GA and hardcore fans, it could easily go under $250M WW when factoring in brand damage and stiff competition. Only upcoming CBM that will have somewhat of a floor are the Avengers films because they will naturally open big. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted Sunday at 07:30 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:30 PM Cap looks bad from trailers and that story leak from test screening few days back definitely sounds generic and like season 2 of Mackie's series. Under 300M WW-China with 60% DOM wouldn't surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YM! Posted Sunday at 07:30 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:30 PM 1 minute ago, TheFlatLannister said: CBMs no longer have a floor. A month ago, many would have said the floor for Joker 2 was $500M WW. If Superman doesn't resonate with the GA and hardcore fans, it could easily go under $250M WW when factoring in brand damage and stiff competition. Only upcoming CBM that will have somewhat of a floor are the Avengers films because they will naturally open big. In fairness to Joker, no one was expecting even after reviews WOM to be D-level caliber. Once you go that low sure there is no floor, but as of right now I think sub $250m for Superman is just as ridiculous as predicting $1b for it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HummingLemon496 Posted Sunday at 07:31 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:31 PM Just now, YM! said: In fairness to Joker, no one was expecting even after reviews WOM to be D-level caliber. Once you go that low sure there is no floor, but as of right now I think sub $250m for Superman is just as ridiculous as predicting $1b for it. Never underestimate a user named YM! so what's ur prediction for OW and legs if it's GOTG 1 quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted Sunday at 07:35 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:35 PM Gunn likes his sci-fi and with All-Star being the main inspiration... Even set photos have this star trek feeling, wouldn't surprise me if DOM > OS. I think without China Returns finished 200:190 and MoS 290:310 so Superman always struggled overseas and I think this time it could be even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YM! Posted Sunday at 07:39 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:39 PM 6 minutes ago, HummingLemon496 said: Never underestimate a user named YM! so what's ur prediction for OW and legs if it's GOTG 1 quality A single trailer has yet to drop my guy. Its too early for this shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted Sunday at 07:42 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:42 PM 38 minutes ago, Cap said: So when do we start the discussions about the viability of white men directing and starring in superhero movies because the film flopped? The manosphere will claim it flopped because of Lady Gaga. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HummingLemon496 Posted Sunday at 07:42 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:42 PM (edited) 4 minutes ago, YM! said: A single trailer has yet to drop my guy. Its too early for this shit. $50M OW and $150M DOM if it's GOTG 1 quality. Jurassic World 4 will repeat #1 over Superman like how Jurassic World 1 repeated #1 over Inside Out 1 Edited Sunday at 07:44 PM by HummingLemon496 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookson Posted Sunday at 07:45 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:45 PM Gone are the days of every freaking superhero/villain getting a movie. To be a big success it’s gotta be a group movie.. like Deadpool and Wolverine. The Monsterverse has cleared in the right direction with that… pretty sure cbm’s will follow suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted Sunday at 07:51 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:51 PM 4 minutes ago, Cookson said: Gone are the days of every freaking superhero/villain getting a movie. To be a big success it’s gotta be a group movie... Unless you're Spider-Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madhuvan Posted Sunday at 07:59 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:59 PM 7 minutes ago, Spidey Freak said: Unless you're Spider-Man Or Batman Rest all are over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyDargon Posted Sunday at 08:01 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:01 PM To avoid more of the dreadful "CBM" discourse, did Wild Robot ACTUALLY do well? Or was it also substandard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madhuvan Posted Sunday at 08:01 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:01 PM Spider-Man and Batman will always survive I would have said Xmen too but they are butchered too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAJK Posted Sunday at 08:05 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:05 PM 21 minutes ago, HummingLemon496 said: $50M OW and $150M DOM if it's GOTG 1 quality. Jurassic World 4 will repeat #1 over Superman like how Jurassic World 1 repeated #1 over Inside Out 1 Ahhh, so you weren’t just doomposting about Joker (and granted, happened to be right), you’re gonna do this for every DC property huh. I thought we left this Marvel vs DC stuff behind in the 2010’s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Posted Sunday at 08:06 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:06 PM It's unfortunate to say, but the new Captain America being black will alienate huge swathes of people globally - especially in Asia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyDargon Posted Sunday at 08:14 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:14 PM 8 minutes ago, Noctis said: It's unfortunate to say, but the new Captain America being black will alienate huge swathes of people globally - especially in Asia. If by "Asia" you mean China that's a lost cause for the US at this point anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Theaters Enjoyer Posted Sunday at 08:15 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:15 PM 12 minutes ago, MightyDargon said: To avoid more of the dreadful "CBM" discourse, did Wild Robot ACTUALLY do well? Or was it also substandard? not a great drop but still decent. People are showing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Posted Sunday at 08:17 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:17 PM 2 minutes ago, MightyDargon said: If by "Asia" you mean China that's a lost cause for the US at this point anyway. The vast majority of Asian countries, and I include the Middle East and Southeast Asia as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyDargon Posted Sunday at 08:19 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:19 PM Just now, Noctis said: The vast majority of Asian countries, and I include the Middle East and Southeast Asia as well. The Middle East is also a lost cause for the US for a completely different set of reasons I'm not going into here. Looks like they'll mainly lose Southeast Asia. Again not a huge market for a movie titled "Captain America". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
