The Warner Bros. Thread | Will NOT merge with Paramount...capitalism is still terrible

[excel1]

1 hour ago, ChipDerby said:

 

What a complete pile of BS this is lol

 

Twitter didn't "tweak staffing to be inline with where it should have been". They cut thousands of jobs at the expense of quality. WB is cutting jobs to increase the profit margins. The jobs being cut wouldn't have existed if they weren't needed. Making 1 person do the job of 2 doesn't mean the 2nd job was not needed.

 

Who mentioned Twitter? Again, what you say is possible and happens periodically, but so does what I mentioned. A lot of this stuff is relative and depends greatly on the POV of the person talking. 

 

"Cutting jobs to increase profit margins" - the jobs being cut are mostly in areas that have no profits. Very different situation than what you describe. You want everyone in that department to lose their job?

 

1 hour ago, ChipDerby said:

 

Also isn't it kinda convenient that to cut costs they fire people but the people fired are always making the least? Why not fire some of the executives making millions? Because they don't actually care about anything but making each other richer.

 

Usually some executives are fired, but they will have a much harder time replacing a high up executive than people towards the bottom. I don't disagree at all about runaway executive compensation but thats a separate issue. Firing key executive could multiply the problem by 10x and now it negatively many more people. 

 

1 hour ago, ChipDerby said:

Just because he's still spending money on huge projects doesn't mean he's letting filmmakers film. He's just trying to maximize his profits.

 

Maximizing his profits is a byproduct of letting the artists do their thing. You can hate on his intention but thats even that is debatable. Improved profitability is one of the places where job creation comes from. 

 

1 hour ago, ChipDerby said:

 

(this goes for brands who do pride month advertising. they don't actually care, they're just taking advantage of profits)

 

you mean you don't like phone corporate virtue signaling? I don't think ALL of them are phony, but most are.

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by excel1

[ChipDerby]

4 minutes ago, excel1 said:

 

Who mentioned Twitter? Again, what you say is possible and happens periodically, but so does what I mentioned. A lot of this stuff is relative and depends greatly on the POV of the person talking. 

 

"Cutting jobs to increase profit margins" - the jobs being cut are mostly in areas that have no profits. Very different situation than what you describe. You want everyone in that department to lose their job?

 

 

Usually some executives are fired, but they will have a much harder time replacing a high up executive than people towards the bottom. I don't disagree at all about runaway executive compensation but thats a separate issue. Firing key executive could multiply the problem by 10x and now it negatively many more people. 

 

 

Maximizing his profits is a byproduct of letting the artists do their thing. You can hate on his intention but thats even that is debatable. Improved profitability is one of the places where job creation comes from. 

 

 

you mean you don't like phone corporate virtue signaling? I don't think ALL of them are phony, but most are.

 

 

The jobs being cut aren't replaced, so why would they need to replace a high up executive? Cutting a VFX artist that makes $50k saves you a lot less than cutting an exec who makes $3 mil.

[excel1]

2 minutes ago, ChipDerby said:

 

The jobs being cut aren't replaced, so why would they need to replace a high up executive? Cutting a VFX artist that makes $50k saves you a lot less than cutting an exec who makes $3 mil.

 

yeah but what is said exec oversees other more critical areas of the business that could flounder in his absence? not like the can hire the VFX guy to take over...

[lorddemaxus]

My problem with people turning Zaslav into a villain mastermind is that it turns all the focus onto him instead of the fact that the whole capitalist system is the reason why WB is getting fucked like this. Zaslav's just a greedy bastard trying to make as much money as possible while the company bleeds dry. It's a little annoying to see people not realize that this would've happened with Zaslav or not. He's one small part of the problem.

[excel1]

don't even want to know what 99% of people quality of life would be right now if we didn't have capitalism 

[TestPattern]

The reality is that we're gonna see a lot of change in studios going forward. The days of cheap money are gone and the likes of Paramount and WB are likely to be sold. 

[ChipDerby]

Just now, excel1 said:

don't even want to know what 99% of people quality of life would be right now if we didn't have capitalism 

 

We'd all be far better off.

[FunkMiller]

On 6/23/2023 at 10:58 PM, excel1 said:

don't even want to know what 99% of people quality of life would be right now if we didn't have capitalism 

 

Capitalism in and of itself is not a bad concept, but unchecked capitalism of the kind we see today most certainly is. At the other end of the scale unchecked socialism is just as bad - but, as ever with these things, a healthy mix of the two in a pragmatic society, where fair rules and regulations exist is the best mix possible.

 

Anyway... James Gunn is screwed.

[AJG]

 

[JWR]

The thing I'm still unsure of is what Zaslav's endgame is? If he is eventually planning on selling WB off, why continue to devalue it? Nobody's going to buy damaged goods. And it's not like it comes at a low price tag.

 

I'm sure he doesn't care about people saying mean things about him online, I'm sure he thinks the studio can weather all the bad press they're getting from his unpopular decisions.  

 

Yet, between the tone deaf responses to the writer's strike, the numerous talent he's pissed off by gutting the studios animation department, the Creators tag debacle on Max, and his plan to go all in on Flash backfiring, I feel like this is going to start hurting him.

[WittyUsername]

15 minutes ago, JWR said:

The thing I'm still unsure of is what Zaslav's endgame is? If he is eventually planning on selling WB off, why continue to devalue it? Nobody's going to buy damaged goods. And it's not like it comes at a low price tag.

 

I'm sure he doesn't care about people saying mean things about him online, I'm sure he thinks the studio can weather all the bad press they're getting from his unpopular decisions.  

 

Yet, between the tone deaf responses to the writer's strike, the numerous talent he's pissed off by gutting the studios animation department, the Creators tag debacle on Max, and his plan to go all in on Flash backfiring, I feel like this is going to start hurting him.

The belief is that he’s trying to juice up the company’s library by emphasizing all of their big IP’s, hence the DC, LotR and Harry Potter announcements. Maybe that’s not what he’s going for, but either way, he’s not really doing a great job at improving the image of the company.
 

Yeah yeah, the company was in debt because of AT&T and all that, but as I’ve said numerous times in the past, nobody forced him to buy WB. This was clearly outside of his wheelhouse. The key to his success was trashy and cheap reality shows that could be pumped out like they’re in a factory. 

[JWR]

7 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

The belief is that he’s trying to juice up the company’s library by emphasizing all of their big IP’s, hence the DC, LotR and Harry Potter announcements. Maybe that’s not what he’s going for, but either way, he’s not really doing a great job at improving the image of the company.
 

Yeah yeah, the company was in debt because of AT&T and all that, but as I’ve said numerous times in the past, nobody forced him to buy WB. This was clearly outside of his wheelhouse. The key to his success was trashy and cheap reality shows that could be pumped out like they’re in a factory. 

 

I'll say it again:

 

David Zaslav's leadership style served him well when he was in charge of a network of low budget, easily replaceable reality TV shows. It's another thing altogether when you're in charge of a major global film and TV network. He has experience in the industry, but he may have bitten off more than he could chew here.

[WittyUsername]

5 minutes ago, JWR said:

 

I'll say it again:

 

David Zaslav's leadership style served him well when he was in charge of a network of low budget, easily replaceable reality TV shows. It's another thing altogether when you're in charge of a major global film and TV network. He has experience in the industry, but he may have bitten off more than he could chew here.

Corporate mergers have been a blight on the the world of entertainment for the past decade now. Comcast buying Universal opened up a Pandora’s Box. 

[MightyDargon]

I'm guessing nobody buys "WB" per se after its debt load but Zaslav has to keep jettisoning parts of the company to make ends meet over time.

[Human]

I do not think they are trying to sell.  Zaslav seems like he is trying to play hero and make big moves.

[ZattMurdock]

 

[dudalb]

On 6/23/2023 at 2:54 PM, lorddemaxus said:

My problem with people turning Zaslav into a villain mastermind is that it turns all the focus onto him instead of the fact that the whole capitalist system is the reason why WB is getting fucked like this. Zaslav's just a greedy bastard trying to make as much money as possible while the company bleeds dry. It's a little annoying to see people not realize that this would've happened with Zaslav or not. He's one small part of the problem.

I see a lot of dime store Anti Capitalism here. Just what would you replace it with/

The Alternative..government control of the economy and tyring to replace market forces by government decrees...has been tried time and time again, and failed  time and time again.

I am not a Libertarian..you need some regulation...but  I get the feeling that a lot of the anti capitalim I see in this  website is just because it is fashionable  and "cool" to say it...which is the worst reason for saying anything.

[dudalb]

4 hours ago, Human said:

I do not think they are trying to sell.  Zaslav seems like he is trying to play hero and make big moves.

A. Being CEO fo WB involves a lot more then just the movies

b.That si not the CEO main fucntion anyway.

C. That is sure as hell not what he is accomplahing.

[dudalb]

5 hours ago, MightyDargon said:

I'm guessing nobody buys "WB" per se after its debt load but Zaslav has to keep jettisoning parts of the company to make ends meet over time.

That is the problem Zaslev has. He has to get the debt down before anybody touches it, but he seems to be doing real damage to a lot of the most valuable assets.

The debt, btw, is in the form of bank loans..that is how almost all studios finaince their motion pictures, and has been from day one of the film industry.

Banks have allways considered movies to risky to invest in, so they prefer loans...the interest is a surer thing then betting on  dividens on a investment.

Edited June 26, 2023 by dudalb

[Cappoedameron]

 

The irony...