baumer Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) You may like Bay's movies more than INTOLERANCE, but saying they're objectively better is like saying Bieber's latest hit is better than Beethoven. I'm a little stunned at this comment. You're making it an absolute and that is strange. You can have your opinion but it's just an opinion. Directing is more than just story and technique. Bay is imo one of the best of all time at directing because of what he brings to film. His way of telling a story and his framing and his action and his way of making me feel part of the story is better than Griffith. So making a statement like this, the one you just made, kind of bothers me. So I'm just going to stay out of this thread. Out of respect for Lisa's hard work at putting this together, I'll read it but leave comments out. But it makes me honestly wonder if you guys know what is involved in directing. It just seems like it's a lot more than what you say it is. I have directed before and I'm sorry if this sounds pretentious but I think you're really selling him short when you label what he does simply as this: But it is. One is a pop culture sensation who uses tools and techniques invented, introduced, and perfected by artists prior to him; who is not after any sort of deeper meaning, but "merely" entertaining for the duration of the song/piece of art. The other is someone who invented most of the visual language and techniques used in popular filmmaking today, and used those techniques to not only entertain, but make statements about culture, history, and humanity. Sorry, but that's just wrong. Edited February 4, 2014 by Christmas baumer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnY Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I think Transformers is GREATER than Intolerance. Im not alone on this opinion. I would say that everything that has ever been directed is greater than Transformers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 So much bitching in this thread already. We've only just made it into the top 80. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Disney Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 For the record, I voted for Michael Bay. He was towards the bottom of my top 100, and no where close to DW Griffith, but I did vote for Bay. Bay's style of blockbuster is highly influential and highly successful. He should be in the top 100. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stingray Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 So much bitching in this thread already. We've only just made it into the top 80. Just imagine when Nolan's name pops up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAR Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 You may like Bay's movies more than INTOLERANCE, but saying they're objectively better is like saying Bieber's latest hit is better than Beethoven. A Fifth of Beethoven is better than Bieber's latest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riczhang Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 But bay doesn't make entertaining movies. They're crass, boring and not very well made. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnY Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 But bay doesn't make entertaining movies. They're crass, boring and not very well made. They are noisy and I don't really understand what exactly is exploding when the action scenes start, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAR Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 So far none of my choices have come up but I would expect to see them at some point. I'm not surprised I have a great taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAR Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 One man's Bay is another man's Kurosawa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Disney Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 But bay doesn't make entertaining movies. They're crass, boring and not very well made. But movies like The Island, The Rock, Bad Boys and Armageddon were very well made and not boring at all. They were clearly well directed. Bay's movies have a distinct style. There is no denying his affect and influence on blockbusters. I put directors who I liked their work much less than Bay on my list, because I was making a list of the 100 greatest directors. I don't like Woody Allen or Oliver Stone films usually, but I can't deny that they are two of the top 100 directors of all-time, so both of them made my list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 But bay doesn't make entertaining movies. They're crass, boring and not very well made.Not very well made? Okay then 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stingray Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Bay's movies may be technically sound, but I find most of them tedious and boring as hell. I did enjoy The Rock and Bad Boys 1 & 2 tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 But it is. One is a pop culture sensation who uses tools and techniques invented, introduced, and perfected by artists prior to him; who is not after any sort of deeper meaning, but "merely" entertaining for the duration of the song/piece of art. The other is someone who invented most of the visual language and techniques used in popular filmmaking today, and used those techniques to not only entertain, but make statements about culture, history, and humanity. Sorry, but that's just wrong. But, B, this is just my opinion. I hope you don't stay out of the thread. You know I'm not a huge Bay-hater. I actually think he's a very talented guy. But -- at least for me -- he hasn't stepped up to realize his full potential yet. If we were talking the 100 Best Blockbuster Directors, or the 100 Best Directors of the Last 20 Years, or maybe even the 100 Best Hollywood Directors, he might make my list. But we're talking the 100 best of all time, and (for me) you have to do more than just technical skill. You have to embrace the story. And -- with occasional exception -- Bay isn't that interested. IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stingray Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) For real baumer, don't take this shit personally. We're all "friends" here. I don't know anything about the art of filmmaking. Maybe the things Bay does on set, like different techniques, camera set ups, logistics of the production or whatever, are impressive. I can only judge him by the end result, and when it comes to the end result, I'm not that impressed (except for the action in some of his movies, which, imo, is not enough). Edited February 4, 2014 by The Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I'll give Bay credit for being very efficient in how he shoots. I remember him on the ARMAGEDDON commentary talking about how they were able to shoot the bar scenes early in the movie in just a few hours (which is pretty damn fast for a production of that size). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luna Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 i know absolutely nothing about this guy, nor do i recognise the names of any of his movies. nevertheless... Shelton Jackson "Spike" Lee (born March 20, 1957) is an American film director, producer, writer, and actor. His production company, 40 Acres and a Mule Filmworks, has produced over 35 films since 1983. Lee's movies have examined race relations, colorism in the black community, the role of media in contemporary life, urban crime and poverty, and other political issues. Lee has won numerous awards, including an Emmy Award. He has also received two Academy Award nominations. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luna Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 Edgar Howard Wright (born 18 April 1974) is an English film and television director, screenwriter and producer. He is most known for his "Three Flavours Cornetto trilogy" consisting ofShaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, and The World's End, in collaboration with friends and reccurent collaborators Simon Pegg, Nira Park and Nick Frost. He also collaborated with them as as the director of the television series Spaced. He also co-wrote, produced and directed the 2010 film Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. Along with his friend Joe Cornish and Steven Moffat, he co-wrote Steven Spielberg's The Adventures of Tintin. Wright and Cornish co-wrote the screenplay of upcoming superhero film Ant-Man, which Wright will direct for a planned release in July 2015. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 2 good picks there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stingray Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Spike Lee got some awesome movies. Good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
