Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

[excel1]

Avatar is like the Josh Hartnett of movies. It was truly huge in its day, but it left basically no long-term footprint and many people have frankly forgotten all about it. 

[Noctis]

3 hours ago, excel1 said:

Avatar is like the Josh Hartnett of movies. It was truly huge in its day, but it left basically no long-term footprint and many people have frankly forgotten all about it. 

 

Oh, please. No one knows who the fuck Josh Hartnett is by name anymore while everyone remembers Avatar. 

 

 

[Hatebox]

While I maintain 4 sequels rather just one-and-see-how-it-goes actively quells my excitement, I'll never not be curious to see what Cameron has up his sleeve. Just as long as he doesn't still think we all love 3D.

[lab276]

This thread has been here since day one of the forum!!!

[TomCruiseTop]

13 hours ago, Menor said:

The fact that so many people claim that nobody remembers Avatar...is kinda proof that people do remember Avatar. If nobody remembered the film, then nobody would ever bring it up. 

We've been mentioning this for years. It's the same adage as 'People don't go to that club any more, because it's always full."

[TomCruiseTop]

I think $10B+ is still on the cards. However, things will have to play out quickly, and we will still have to see the BO measured in USD.

 

I think the U.S. defaults. The dollar collapses. I see it being triggered by increased interest rates, resulting from the U.S. trying to pay back debt. This is sort of what is happening right now. Currently, the demand for U.S. treasury bonds is hitting an inflection point. For the longest time, the dollar has been supported because it is the least bad currency. Smaller economies collapse, and they fall into the dollar. This has contained the inflation in the U.S. for the last 40 or so years. When foreign currencies collapse. The government will usually create a new one. Pegged to the dollar. In essence, the new money can be redeemed for American dollars at the countries reserves. This causes foreign nations, 65 of them, to hold American dollars in their reserves (dollars and treasuries). This benefits Americans a lot because even though the fed has gone mad with the money printer, we haven’t drastically outpaced foreign demand for dollars.

 

When we print money to bail out our mal investments and soothe the pain domestically, we rob all the countries that hold U.S. dollars and treasuries abroad. They don’t get any benefit from the stimulus but all of the deprecation in their reserves. Governments are starting to realize this and have begun adding gold and other currencies to their reserves. El Salvador has even started adding Bitcoin. Think about El Salvador. They are a poor country. If they play it conservatively, they will remain a poor country. If they take a risk, it might just pay off. If it doesn’t well, they end up poor. That is what they already are. As you can see, the risk is favorable to poor nations.

 

Another example of this concept is who favors change. The top 1% does not like change, especially significant change. Because if change happens it means they could become any other percentile. That means they might move up, but it is way more likely that they move down. The opposite is true of someone in the bottom 1%. Change, massive change, is favorable to the bottom. Nothing is worse than being on the bottom, so any change will likely be positive. It is this reason why every company eventually fails. They get big, and change happens. They are too afraid and too slow to deal with it. Think about Sears. It was once a start-up; risk-taking was the only thing they knew, then the internet came along. They resisted change while a new generation of start-ups embraced the change. This is a constant cycle.

 

So then you can the perfect storm, hyperinflation at home, with exchange rates overseas becoming ever unfavorable, so that even if the film sells 'normal' numbers in terms of ticket numbers, it still does an insane dollar value based on the real term value of the dollar dropping.

 

I have been saying this for years, I didn't believe that it would come to pass as it has, but I still think that knowing Jim he has always had his eye on the economic ball.

[Reddroast]

8 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

I think $10B+ is still on the cards. However, things will have to play out quickly, and we will still have to see the BO measured in USD.

 

I think the U.S. defaults. The dollar collapses. I see it being triggered by increased interest rates, resulting from the U.S. trying to pay back debt. This is sort of what is happening right now. Currently, the demand for U.S. treasury bonds is hitting an inflection point. For the longest time, the dollar has been supported because it is the least bad currency. Smaller economies collapse, and they fall into the dollar. This has contained the inflation in the U.S. for the last 40 or so years. When foreign currencies collapse. The government will usually create a new one. Pegged to the dollar. In essence, the new money can be redeemed for American dollars at the countries reserves. This causes foreign nations, 65 of them, to hold American dollars in their reserves (dollars and treasuries). This benefits Americans a lot because even though the fed has gone mad with the money printer, we haven’t drastically outpaced foreign demand for dollars.

 

When we print money to bail out our mal investments and soothe the pain domestically, we rob all the countries that hold U.S. dollars and treasuries abroad. They don’t get any benefit from the stimulus but all of the deprecation in their reserves. Governments are starting to realize this and have begun adding gold and other currencies to their reserves. El Salvador has even started adding Bitcoin. Think about El Salvador. They are a poor country. If they play it conservatively, they will remain a poor country. If they take a risk, it might just pay off. If it doesn’t well, they end up poor. That is what they already are. As you can see, the risk is favorable to poor nations.

 

Another example of this concept is who favors change. The top 1% does not like change, especially significant change. Because if change happens it means they could become any other percentile. That means they might move up, but it is way more likely that they move down. The opposite is true of someone in the bottom 1%. Change, massive change, is favorable to the bottom. Nothing is worse than being on the bottom, so any change will likely be positive. It is this reason why every company eventually fails. They get big, and change happens. They are too afraid and too slow to deal with it. Think about Sears. It was once a start-up; risk-taking was the only thing they knew, then the internet came along. They resisted change while a new generation of start-ups embraced the change. This is a constant cycle.

 

So then you can the perfect storm, hyperinflation at home, with exchange rates overseas becoming ever unfavorable, so that even if the film sells 'normal' numbers in terms of ticket numbers, it still does an insane dollar value based on the real term value of the dollar dropping.

 

I have been saying this for years, I didn't believe that it would come to pass as it has, but I still think that knowing Jim he has always had his eye on the economic ball.

So you are rooting for a global economic collapse just for a film to hold a record?! Get help now man

[Eric Duncan]

[TomCruiseTop]

5 minutes ago, Reddroast said:

So you are rooting for a global economic collapse just for a film to hold a record?! Get help now man

Where does it say I'm rooting for it? Not at all. I'm describing what I see is actually happening. Truth has no temperature.

[TomCruiseTop]

7 minutes ago, Reddroast said:

So you are rooting for a global economic collapse just for a film to hold a record?! Get help now man

I would also note, that it would not be global collapse, in fact many poor countries indebted in USD would benefit from the scenario I described.

[Reddroast]

5 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

I would also note, that it would not be global collapse, in fact many poor countries indebted in USD would benefit from the scenario I described.

Copium: not even once.

[TomCruiseTop]

2 minutes ago, Reddroast said:

Copium: not even once.

Where's the cope? It will impact the BO massively. There is no question. Pure Spirit and I (who is also in this thread) made far too much in the past 2 years with this view.

[Reddroast]

4 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

Where's the cope? It will impact the BO massively. There is no question. Pure Spirit and I (who is also in this thread) made far too much in the past 2 years with this view.

Ok I'll say it one last time Avatar 2 is a joke to the GP. John Oliver was mocking it on his show last night

[Eric Duncan]

Moderation

 

@Reddroast I think that's enough for today. I would really recommend putting users on your "Ignore" list if you don't like somebody.

[TomCruiseTop]

1 minute ago, Reddroast said:

John Oliver was mocking it on his show last night

Just as he mocked the idea of Trump winning the presidency. The man represents a small demographic, not the GA, and certainly not on a global scale. The entire scenario I described above is reliant on the foreign BO and popularity of Avatar - which we already know to be true.

[DAJK]

Oh boy here we go again

[Eric Duncan]

9 minutes ago, Eric the Big Red Dog said:

Moderation

 

@Reddroast I think that's enough for today. I would really recommend putting users on your "Ignore" list if you don't like somebody.

@JamesCameronScholar this applies to you too bucko. Zip it!

[TomCruiseTop]

Just now, Eric the Big Red Dog said:

@JamesCameronScholar this applies to you too bucko. Zip it!

I have no problem with anyone! I am literally posting a view I have had for years.

[Rorschach]

I can only speak for myself and my own experience, but everyone I've talked to, irl, about Avatar 2 are all genuinely pretty curious about the film (in a good way). A few of them are actually quite excited about it. I don't think the general perception of the GA seeing it and the other sequels as a joke is as big as it's made out to be online. In the end, I think the long wait between the first film and the second film will only help it at the box office rather than hurt it. The curiosity factor alone will be more than enough to entice people back in.

[IronJimbo]

59 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

I think $10B+ is still on the cards. However, things will have to play out quickly, and we will still have to see the BO measured in USD.

 

I think the U.S. defaults. The dollar collapses. I see it being triggered by increased interest rates, resulting from the U.S. trying to pay back debt. This is sort of what is happening right now. Currently, the demand for U.S. treasury bonds is hitting an inflection point. For the longest time, the dollar has been supported because it is the least bad currency. Smaller economies collapse, and they fall into the dollar. This has contained the inflation in the U.S. for the last 40 or so years. When foreign currencies collapse. The government will usually create a new one. Pegged to the dollar. In essence, the new money can be redeemed for American dollars at the countries reserves. This causes foreign nations, 65 of them, to hold American dollars in their reserves (dollars and treasuries). This benefits Americans a lot because even though the fed has gone mad with the money printer, we haven’t drastically outpaced foreign demand for dollars.

 

When we print money to bail out our mal investments and soothe the pain domestically, we rob all the countries that hold U.S. dollars and treasuries abroad. They don’t get any benefit from the stimulus but all of the deprecation in their reserves. Governments are starting to realize this and have begun adding gold and other currencies to their reserves. El Salvador has even started adding Bitcoin. Think about El Salvador. They are a poor country. If they play it conservatively, they will remain a poor country. If they take a risk, it might just pay off. If it doesn’t well, they end up poor. That is what they already are. As you can see, the risk is favorable to poor nations.

 

Another example of this concept is who favors change. The top 1% does not like change, especially significant change. Because if change happens it means they could become any other percentile. That means they might move up, but it is way more likely that they move down. The opposite is true of someone in the bottom 1%. Change, massive change, is favorable to the bottom. Nothing is worse than being on the bottom, so any change will likely be positive. It is this reason why every company eventually fails. They get big, and change happens. They are too afraid and too slow to deal with it. Think about Sears. It was once a start-up; risk-taking was the only thing they knew, then the internet came along. They resisted change while a new generation of start-ups embraced the change. This is a constant cycle.

 

So then you can the perfect storm, hyperinflation at home, with exchange rates overseas becoming ever unfavorable, so that even if the film sells 'normal' numbers in terms of ticket numbers, it still does an insane dollar value based on the real term value of the dollar dropping.

 

I have been saying this for years, I didn't believe that it would come to pass as it has, but I still think that knowing Jim he has always had his eye on the economic ball.

Hey JCS long time no see.

 

WOW, just wow. I can't believe what I'm reading here. I was sceptical when you brought up politics and stuff in the past but time and time again you're right. I'm pretty scared right now, but atleast A2 makes billies and billies. Though I think I would prefer the global economy to just not explode.

 

Good to see this thread is not on the LOT anymore, appreciating the sequel to the highest grossing film of all time finally.