Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

[Hydrogen]

6 hours ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

Except the quote you quoted is real... 

 

https://www.theverge.com/2014/11/26/7295013/james-cameron-avatar-sequels-oh-god-no

watching scholar prove people wrong is one of my best things on BOT I still feel bad after seeing him destroy raiko in the 100 thread 

[Stewart]

19 minutes ago, Box Office Theory Fan said:

watching scholar prove people wrong is one of my best things on BOT I still feel bad after seeing him destroy raiko in the 100 thread 

I wasn't there, but sounds fun - can you summarise?  

[langer]

1 hour ago, IronJimbo said:

He's building the movie equivalent of the 3 Georges dam here.

Which three Georges?

 

Lucas

Michael

of the Jungle???

[aabattery]

 

[IronJimbo]

 

Just Jim and Landau advertising for Sony.. tiny bit of infos

[That One Girl]

1 hour ago, aabattery said:

 

 

I thought this was the twitter account for the movie Alpha and got rlly confused for a sec

[vc2002]

2 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

 

Just Jim and Landau advertising for Sony.. tiny bit of infos

 

2 hours ago, aabattery said:

 

 

Just checked the camera specifs and frankly I'm a little disappointed. Alexa 65 and Red 8K both have clearly better overal capability than Sony Venice. I thought on his most personal & longest production Cameron will choose the absolute best camera, but instead he just went for the one he's most familiar with.

 

What a shame.

 

https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/digital-cinema-cameras/venice#ProductSpecificationsBlock-venice

 

http://arrirentalgroup.com/alexa65/

 

http://www.red.com/products/dsmc2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 2, 2018 by vc2002

[Pure Spirit]

Cameron critics be like

 

 

[Elessar]

5 hours ago, vc2002 said:

 

 

Just checked the camera specifs and frankly I'm a little disappointed. Alexa 65 and Red 8K both have clearly better overal capability than Sony Venice. I thought on his most personal & longest production Cameron will choose the absolute best camera, but instead he just went for the one he's most familiar with.

 

What a shame.

 

https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/digital-cinema-cameras/venice#ProductSpecificationsBlock-venice

 

http://arrirentalgroup.com/alexa65/

 

http://www.red.com/products/dsmc2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess specs are not everything. It's the same when buying speakers, specs only tell half the story.

[IronJimbo]

6 hours ago, vc2002 said:

 

 

Just checked the camera specifs and frankly I'm a little disappointed. Alexa 65 and Red 8K both have clearly better overal capability than Sony Venice. I thought on his most personal & longest production Cameron will choose the absolute best camera, but instead he just went for the one he's most familiar with.

 

What a shame.

 

https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/digital-cinema-cameras/venice#ProductSpecificationsBlock-venice

 

http://arrirentalgroup.com/alexa65/

 

http://www.red.com/products/dsmc2

I think this is definitely a time where we can just trust Jim got the best camera to do the role it needs to play.

 

Heres a HWR article about it

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/james-camerons-avatar-sequels-production-sony-venice-cameras-1116600

 

Cameron and producer Jon Landau's Lightstorm Entertainment confirmed that Sony’s Venice cameras with 3D stereoscopic rigs will be used for Avatar 2 and 3, which will be lensed by Oscar winning cinematographer Russell Carpenter (Cameron's Titanic).

 

“The Venice camera delivers the most astonishing image I’ve ever seen. The blacks are rich, deep and velvety, the highlights and source lights are amazingly bright. For the first time, we truly appreciate what the term high dynamic range means.”

 

The camera maker explained that "using the new Sony cabling system, the only part of the Venice carried on the rig will be the image sensor optical blocks, significantly reducing on-board camera weight to about three pounds per sensor block. By lowering the weight and improving ergonomics, Cameron and the Lightstorm team will have the ability to shoot with greater flexibility and freedom." This could include use with Steadicams, drones, gimbals and shooting in confined spaces, a Sony rep added.

 

Jim seems to really like the HDR and colours... or maybe because it's light to carry. He wouldn't give up picture quality I'm sure of that. Sounds like he's been working with the Sony team aswell to customise it.

 

 

Edited June 2, 2018 by IronJimbo

[vc2002]

1 hour ago, Elessar said:

I guess specs are not everything. It's the same when buying speakers, specs only tell half the story.

 

A 54.12mm x 25.58mm sensor captures better image quality than a 36.2x24.1mm one. It's just as simple as IMAX captures better image quality than 35mm.

 

I do agree that specs are not everything, but in the sense of that a major part of Avatar sequels will be pure CGI, and that has little to do with the camera used for live action shooting. In other words, when you're watching Avatar sequels you are watching CGI most of the time, so the camera obviously wont matter as much to the image quality as it does on films with little to no CGI such as The Revenant or Dunkirk.

Edited June 2, 2018 by vc2002

[vc2002]

10 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

I think this is definitely a time where we can just trust Jim got the best camera to do the role it needs to play.

 

Familiarity obviously played a key role on Cameron's decision. Like he said in the video, he's been using this sony camera system for so many years.

[vc2002]

 

24 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

I think this is definitely a time where we can just trust Jim got the best camera to do the role it needs to play.

 

Heres a HWR article about it

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/james-camerons-avatar-sequels-production-sony-venice-cameras-1116600

 

Cameron and producer Jon Landau's Lightstorm Entertainment confirmed that Sony’s Venice cameras with 3D stereoscopic rigs will be used for Avatar 2 and 3, which will be lensed by Oscar winning cinematographer Russell Carpenter (Cameron's Titanic).

 

“The Venice camera delivers the most astonishing image I’ve ever seen. The blacks are rich, deep and velvety, the highlights and source lights are amazingly bright. For the first time, we truly appreciate what the term high dynamic range means.”

 

The camera maker explained that "using the new Sony cabling system, the only part of the Venice carried on the rig will be the image sensor optical blocks, significantly reducing on-board camera weight to about three pounds per sensor block. By lowering the weight and improving ergonomics, Cameron and the Lightstorm team will have the ability to shoot with greater flexibility and freedom." This could include use with Steadicams, drones, gimbals and shooting in confined spaces, a Sony rep added.

 

Jim seems to really like the HDR and colours... or maybe because it's light to carry. He wouldn't give up picture quality I'm sure of that. Sounds like he's been working with the Sony team aswell to customise it.

 

 

Dynamic range

Alexa 65        14+ stops

Venice           15+ stops

Red 8K          17+ stop

 

So Venice isn't exactly the top notch in terms of dynamic range. And of cause his DP will only say nice things.

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Venice is a medicore camera. I'm just disappointed Cameron didn't went for the best.

[vc2002]

Someone commented this vid as James Cameron taking notes from the world's greatest directors for making Avatar better

 

 

[TomCruiseTop]

13 minutes ago, vc2002 said:

Someone commented this vid as James Cameron taking notes from the world's greatest directors for making Avatar better

 

 

I'm not sure we can trust your judgement on anything any more vc as evidenced by your inability to recognise an actual JC quote...

[Deuce66]

4 hours ago, vc2002 said:

 

Dynamic range

Alexa 65        14+ stops

Venice           15+ stops

Red 8K          17+ stop

 

So Venice isn't exactly the top notch in terms of dynamic range. And of cause his DP will only say nice things.

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Venice is a medicore camera. I'm just disappointed Cameron didn't went for the best.

 

It appears that he has a long standing working relationship with Sony, that counts for something. Also Landau made it clear in the video that this rig is a modified version so it's not exactly off the rack, point and shoot. You can toss the published specs out the window. I have no doubt that all options were looked at and they went for what they consider to be the best suited to their needs in terms of tech/image production/support/engineering etc....there has to be trust and they obviously feel that Sony can deliver what they need. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deuce66]

2 hours ago, vc2002 said:

Someone commented this vid as James Cameron taking notes from the world's greatest directors for making Avatar better

 

 

 

Good clip and the series on AMC was excellent as well. Bottom line, the best are always learning and pushing forward, they are never content to simply push out "product", Cameron and Nolan are two examples. 

 

[Deuce66]

Hollywood Reporter article.

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/james-camerons-avatar-sequels-production-sony-venice-cameras-1116600

 

The cameras will be used with 3D stereoscopic rigs.

Ever since James Cameron announced plans for his Avatarsequels, there's been plenty of speculation about which cameras he would use. Today, Cameron and producer Jon Landau's Lightstorm Entertainment confirmed that Sony’s Venice cameras with 3D stereoscopic rigs will be used for Avatar 2 and 3, which will be lensed by Oscar winning cinematographer Russell Carpenter (Cameron's Titanic).

Cameron had also previously expressed interest in high dynamic range and incorporating high frame rates. The Venice (and generally all major motion cameras) support these options as well.

Said the director in a released statement: “The Venice camera delivers the most astonishing image I’ve ever seen. The blacks are rich, deep and velvety, the highlights and source lights are amazingly bright. For the first time, we truly appreciate what the term high dynamic range means.”

Sony said it worked closely with Lightstorm to customize the Venice camera — Sony's first full-frame digital motion picture camera, which was unveiled last September — for the production's specific needs, with regular meetings taking place between Cameron, his production teams and Sony’s engineering group.

The camera maker explained that "using the new Sony cabling system, the only part of the Venice carried on the rig will be the image sensor optical blocks, significantly reducing on-board camera weight to about three pounds per sensor block. By lowering the weight and improving ergonomics, Cameron and the Lightstorm team will have the ability to shoot with greater flexibility and freedom." This could include use with Steadicams, drones, gimbals and shooting in confined spaces, a Sony rep added.

Performance capture work is already underway on the sequels, though principal photography isn't expected to begin until early 2019.

The first of Cameron's four planned Avatar sequels is scheduled for a Dec. 18, 2020 release.

[Pure Spirit]

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2428530/the-problem-3d-has-had-according-to-james-cameron

 

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That said, I think that Hollywood has done 3D a disservice by embracing post-conversion, which to me is the wrong track. We should do native photography because if we're ever going to incorporate 3D into broad content production, which most of which is live or near realtime or short turnaround TV production, we have to use the native production tools. Native production technology has basically stalled as of about three or four years ago. We need to re-embrace native production.

 

 

 

[TomCruiseTop]

I'm surprised that Sony didn't build JC a custom camera like with Fincher's Xenomorph.