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[IronJimbo]

2 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

As opposed to the corporate products of the MCU that don't care about their directors amirite ?

Well said

[The Futurist]

it s funny how great action now means practical stunts, no CGI fakeness bruh !

[Napoleon]

 

 

"James Wan was showing Zack Snyder - against the studio's wishes - cuts of the movie and early test screenings and storyboards to make sure that they're on the same page with what he originally wanted and Snyder gave his blessing of approval, bringing it back to what he wanted all along."

 

I'm glad Zack Snyder was back to save the franchise.

 

Those Justice League reshoots were the most stupid decision ever made in Hollywood history.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Napoleon

[AndyK]

"Against the studio's wishes", so he is def Ex communicated.

[Darth Lehnsherr]

Also is probably why Jason Momoa was so vocal about wanting to see Snyder's cut of Justice League since that's what sold him on wanting to be Aquaman in the first place

[The Futurist]

I told everybody how Snyderish Aquaman was visually but no one would listen to me.

Also, the D-Porn Snyder tendencies in the action were noticeable :

 

Each action sequence in Aquaman shows the set and environement  being destroyed somewhat, just like in the good old days of Man of Steel.

 

Aquaman was the best of both world for me, Man Of Steel amazing action and destruction and spectacle with MCU tone and storytellling.

Edited January 19, 2019 by The Futurist
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[2kt09]

Captain Marvel! > Captain Marvel

[Darth Lehnsherr]

Homecoming very good legs at the box office (except China). BvS collapsed everywhere after Opening Weekend which is why Homecoming was a major success and BvS wasn't. 

[Darth Lehnsherr]

I wonder if Unbreakable and Watchmen were released today would their critical reaction be more positive.

[Jonwo]

45 minutes ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:

I wonder if Unbreakable and Watchmen were released today would their critical reaction be more positive.

Unbreakable I think might be better received, not sure on Watchmen. 

[robertman2]

1 hour ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:

I wonder if Unbreakable and Watchmen were released today would their critical reaction be more positive.

Unbreakable yes, Watchmen, however, would have gained even poorer reception 

[LouisianaArkansasGeorgia]

The fact that now DCEU/WB has the two leggiest superhero films of the current post-Iron Man superhero explosion  (Aquaman and Wonder Woman) tells us something about how iconic DC characters are in terms of pop culture penetration. I mean, a well-made, non clusterfuck-y JLA that featured heroic heroes and faithfully portrayed characters would have been an Avengers-style phenomenon, if not bigger. Too bad that Snyder had to fuck it up when he got the ball rolling with the one-two non-punch of MOS and BvS...

Now we are stuck in some sort of limbo with two characters that audiences love (Diana and Arthur) but against a shared universe backdrop that audiences hate. Will it be even feasible to have these characers join forces agains sans Batman and Superman when the suits probably still think that those two characters are the be all end all of the DCU?

[John Marston]

2 hours ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:

Homecoming very good legs at the box office (except China). BvS collapsed everywhere after Opening Weekend which is why Homecoming was a major success and BvS wasn't. 

 

 

Homecoming was liked but it also benefited from having no real competition except for more adult targeting movies like Planet of the Apes and Dunkirk. Far From Home has more competition including Lion King 2 weeks after 

[Zakiyyah6]

On 1/14/2019 at 2:02 PM, Barnack said:

I think BvS and Suicide Squad simply happened in a very strange online box office moment, even Suicide Squad was called some flop and some needed 800m to break even kind of talk non-sense.

 

Wonder Woman did a little bit less than Suicide Squad in the markets both released and was correctly seen has the giant success it was.

 

One big difference is that both those movie included in their plans and success bar the setup of sequels, and BvS failed at doing that.

 

I would also point out, that I would be extremelly surprised if those 250/175m figure are +/-5% of the reality and that the production budget on big franchise made by big names producer is a small part of the cost/equation.

 

Spider Man 3 total cost for Sony went close to the billion dollars ($934M), the 300M net budget being only 32% of their cost.

I don't think that Suicide Squad is a good movie but the reporting that it was a flop was so baffling to me. It was clearly a hit film and yet the media was pretending that it wasn't because of a Rotten Tomatoes score. I like Rotten Tomatoes but even I think that's b.s. It even had better word of mouth than BvS had. If Suicide Squad was a flop then so was Guardians of the Galaxy. BvS made money but way under performed and its rancid 1.9 multi pointed to it hurting Justice League's opening weekend. 

Edited January 21, 2019 by Zakiyyah6

[MrGlass2]

8 minutes ago, LouisianaArkansasGeorgia said:

The fact that now DCEU/WB has the two leggiest superhero films of the current post-Iron Man superhero explosion  (Aquaman and Wonder Woman) tells us something about how iconic DC characters are in terms of pop culture penetration.

No it doesn't. It is time to retire the word "iconic", it is completely useless to explain box office success. Read the predictions for Wonder Woman before BvS.

[LouisianaArkansasGeorgia]

Just now, MrGlass2 said:

No it doesn't. It is time to retire the word "iconic", it is completely useless to explain box office success. Read the predictions for Wonder Woman before BvS.

"Iconic" may be misused and overused, but it is very accurate when it comes to these characters. Superman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and Batman are all icons...images that are recognizable all over the planet even by people who may not know the characters names. They are templates for countless parodies and archetypes, and even taking out any talk of box office, their recognizability as images (icons) is indisputable.

[Zakiyyah6]

Just because a character is an icon does not mean that their film is guaranteed 1 billion worldwide. Mickey Mouse is an icon as well and nobody believes that a Mickey Mouse movie is guaranteed 1 billion at the box office. That being said, even a half-way decent Batman/Superman movie in 2016 would have easily crushed the billion mark. 

[MrGlass2]

5 minutes ago, LouisianaArkansasGeorgia said:

They are templates for countless parodies and archetypes, and even taking out any talk of box office, their recognizability as images (icons) is indisputable.

So was the Hulk, and his movie flopped. A Spider-Man+Iron Man movie made less than GOTG2 in the US (or GOTG1 adjusted). Suicide Squad made more than MoS without China.

 

At this point, the year Black Panther and Aquaman made $1.1B+, it is more than clear that being famous or "iconic" has little to do with box office success.

[2kt09]

5 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

At this point, the year Black Panther and Aquaman made $1.1B+, it is more than clear that being famous or "iconic" has little to do with box office success.

Can't stress this enough.

If you want Avengers/PotC/LoTR/Transformers/Star Wars money, make the movies evoke those things. 

[IceFire9yt]

I would consider Aquaman and Wonder Woman's legs to have a lot to do with idiosynchratic factors (Wonder Woman appealing to women, Aquaman being released over the holidays).  I do think the DC brand has something to do with the legginess of these movies.  What you're seeing is depressed openings for those movies compared to the MCU because the DC brand isn't trusted at the moment.  Audiences took a wait and see approach with Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Justice League- they're waiting to hear if the movie's good before seeing it, which gives better legs if the movie is good, and a complete mess if the movie's mediocre or bad.

Edited January 21, 2019 by IceFire9yt