THE JUSTICE LEAGUE (and The Star and Wonder) WEEKEND THREAD | PREMIUM ACCOUNT SALE NOW LIVE | Weekend Actuals ~ JL 93.84M, W 27.54M, T:R 21.66M, DH2 14.43M, MOTOE 13.80M, TS 9.81M

[Rumpot]

8 minutes ago, Maxmoser3 said:

On the bright side, 2017 is now up from 2013 and 2015. So hopefully we see a more stronger increase in the marketplace coming up. But as for the new releases, not bad although Justice League was the victim of over projection. Minus the decent expansions and Bad Moms having decent holds again, all holdovers have been all smacked this weekend. 

2016 had two weekends after Thanksgiving where the box office really died.  2017 hopefully can at least ride a notch above that with the specialty films expanding well and a stronger Thanksgiving weekend to begin with.  But it's so hard to assume anything even a weekend ahead...

[Johnny Tran]

I take back what I said.  I thought the DCEU would be okay coming out of this (WW2, Aquaman, The Batman) but I take it back.  This JL flop is the death of the DCEU.  They can't sit back and ignore it. Big changes must be made. 

 

I don't think Aquaman will break $50M OW.  Because I think the GA will look at it as a dead series. 

[Goffe]

59 minutes ago, That One Guy said:

Batman v. Superman is legit good, people hate on it too much because of a few pretty bad moments.  admittedly I fell into the hate trap when I first saw it but it's really grown on me (doomsday fight still sucks though)

a lot of people like it ironically, so that's that.

Edited November 19, 2017 by Goffe

[WrathOfHan]

Predictions for next weekend:

 

Justice League: 43M

Coco: 35M

Wonder: 29M

Thor: Ragnarok: 17.3M

Daddy's Home 2: 12M

Murder on the Orient Express: 11.5M

Lady Bird: 10M

The Star: 7.5M

A Bad Moms Christmas: 6M

Roman J. Israel, Esq.: 3.5M

Three Billboards: 3.2M

[KJsooner]

1 minute ago, Fancyarcher said:

Oh BVS discussion. 

It didn't make any sense in the trailer either. I'm 99% sure it was just written specifically with the trailer with mind. 

For all its issues, MOS has the advantage of being the first film, and not being bogged down by the need to make everything a shared universe. It's also got a fairly simple three act structure, whereas say BVS is just all over the place.

 

Three act structure? Yeah if the three acts are...

 

 

 

[MCKillswitch123]

I love how that Twitter guy said that JL had a bigger worldwide OW than BVS.... even though he compared JL's 280M WW opening with the 250+ something BVS from OS OW alone  

 

Talk about delusional desperation right there.

[Johnny Tran]

I also don't know why people are happy about this.  If you grew up a fan of Batman and Superman you shouldn't be happy.  The characters will live on but we won't see a film from either for a very long time.  I wouldn't be shocked to see Reeves drop out of The Batman. It's damaged goods. 

[John Marston]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Tran said:

I take back what I said.  I thought the DCEU would be okay coming out of this (WW2, Aquaman, The Batman) but I take it back.  This JL flop is the death of the DCEU.  They can't sit back and ignore it. Big changes must be made. 

 

I don't think Aquaman will break $50M OW.  Because I think the GA will look at it as a dead series. 

 

 

If Awuaman opens at 50m it can make 200m with good wom thanks to the holidays 

[grey ghost]

12 minutes ago, dudalb said:

The raw stuff happens tomorrow in the WB Executive Board Room.

[John Marston]

9 minutes ago, Barnack said:

According to the leak even if the first one made the planned at greenlight profit of 69m that it did hurt the brand (you can find Sony e-mail saying that the "biggest box office title" the 2012 box office was not a good year, Men In black and Spider man franchise were both in trouble).

 

Amazing spider man 2 was certainly not a success

 

It was greenlight with 300m domestic, 550 intl, 850m WW box office in mind and with a profit of 123m in mind (16% ROI)

 

It went 91m below Sony success bad threshold in profits, the movie made less than 10m for the studio and investor combined (14m for the studio a loss of 5m for the investors), on a multiple year's between the expense and all the revenue to come in, 600m total spent, on something that is purely made for a cash grab endeavor.

 

Not sure on which metric it can be seen as a success, the planned sequels and movie universe were cancelled for a reason.

 

Profit is not a sign of success, you need a depending on the project and the studio a ROI of 8% to 25%, that tend to be significantly above the break even line, otherwise the studio would have been better to buy stock at the stock market instead of investing in a movie.

 

 

 

 

 

Also ASM 2 was supposed to set up

a whole universe lol 

[Ohana]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Tran said:

I take back what I said.  I thought the DCEU would be okay coming out of this (WW2, Aquaman, The Batman) but I take it back.  This JL flop is the death of the DCEU.  They can't sit back and ignore it. Big changes must be made. 

 

I don't think Aquaman will break $50M OW.  Because I think the GA will look at it as a dead series. 

DCEU's Wonder Woman is the top SH movie of the year Dom

DC is not going anywhere.
 

[Fancyarcher]

7 minutes ago, dudalb said:

In MOS, you also get some of the Superman we all know and love.although he mopes around and feels sorry for himself too much of the time. But in the post Zod scenes...particualry the bit with the drone...we get the nice guy Supes who gets joy out of helping people. There is NONE of that in the Supes we got in BVS.

BVS's Superman is just "unhappy" throughout, and I'm not a fan of that kind of Superman. The extended cut adds some better development for Superman, but it's not enough. I have heard good things about Superman in Justice League though, so there's that. 

6 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

 

Superman curse?

 

Hollywoodland. Now there's a good "Superman" movie with Ben Affleck. 

[Johnny Tran]

1 minute ago, John Marston said:

 

 

If Awuaman opens at 50m it can make 200m with good wom thanks to the holidays 

I'm thinking it opens more like $40M honestly.  $50M if it has rave reviews. 

[TwoMisfits]

3 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

Predictions for next weekend:

 

Justice League: 43M

Coco: 35M

Wonder: 29M

Thor: Ragnarok: 17.3M

Daddy's Home 2: 12M

Murder on the Orient Express: 11.5M

Lady Bird: 10M

The Star: 7.5M

A Bad Moms Christmas: 6M

Roman J. Israel, Esq.: 3.5M

Three Billboards: 3.2M

Wow, that's lower than even I would go on Coco...didn't think I was convincing you all that well:)...

 

BTW, if a 97% RT.com rated Pixar original opens this low, the date is and has always been the ultimate problem...and it's just gotten to be a worse date as November has played out...

[Johnny Tran]

Just now, Ohana said:

DCEU's Wonder Woman is the top SH movie of the year Dom

DC is not going anywhere.
 

She was the top seller for a variety of reasons but will she be able to repeat that success.  Even if she comes back with a great sequel, it's within a dead franchise. Maybe Wonder Woman can be a property on it's own but it's not going to be a part of a bigger connected universe.  Maybe that's a good thing. 

[WrathOfHan]

2 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

Wow, that's lower than even I would go on Coco...didn't think I was convincing you all that well:)...

 

BTW, if a 97% RT.com rated Pixar original opens this low, the date is and has always been the ultimate problem...and it's just gotten to be a worse date as November has played out...

We'll see how it's performing on Pulse tomorrow, but I'm really not feeling confident on this.

[baumer]

I'm just locking this for a minute.

[baumer]

Guys....NO SPOILERS PLEASE.  IVE HAD TO HIDE TWO POSTS WITH QUOTES FROM THE MOVIE.  IF IT'S NOT IN THE TRAILER, THEN DON'T POST IT HERE.  THIS IS FORUMS 101.  DON'T MAKE THE MODS ANGRY...YOU WOULDN'T LIKE US WHEN WE'RE ANGRY.

[Ohana]

1 minute ago, Johnny Tran said:

She was the top seller for a variety of reasons but will she be able to repeat that success.  Even if she comes back with a great sequel, it's within a dead franchise. Maybe Wonder Woman can be a property on it's own but it's not going to be a part of a bigger connected universe.  Maybe that's a good thing. 

James Wan is one amazing director, writing him off like that is plain stupid

One good trailer for Aquaman and ppl will get back on the hype train.

[baumer]

Carry on.