Tuesday (6/12) #s: Coco - $2.49m, JL - $1.72m, Wonder - $1.39m, Thor - $1.02m, DH2 - $0.75m

[Barnack]

2 hours ago, weresweresweres said:

 

I was thinking that movie has to earn 3-3.5x it's budget to break even?

It is a bit more complex than that.

 

Studio made a nice 20m profit on a movie like this one (that would have never made 300-350m):

 

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ferrellwahlberg2010.htm

The Other Guys

Production Budget: $100 million

 

Total Lifetime Grosses

Domestic:	$119,219,978	70.0%
+ Foreign:	$51,212,949	30.0%
= Worldwide:	$170,432,927

 

Around 1.7 time it's budget, the all time record I did find for a Sony movie reaching profitability with the lowest ratio was that one:

 

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=gridirongang.htm

Production Budget: $30 million

Total Lifetime Grosses

Domestic:	$38,432,823	92.7%
+ Foreign:	$3,048,028	7.3%
= Worldwide:	$41,480,851

 

 

It's real budget was 33m, made 1.26 time it's budget, Sony made 2.680 (not million, 2 thousand bucks).

 

While they lost money on Men In Black 3 and Angels&Demon.

 

The type of movie, year of release, the size of the budget (a 4 million movie with a 25 million world release will be quite different than a 300m movie with a 185m world release), the actor and investor deal on how they share the revenues, will all impact.

 

Never achieved to find a rules of thumb that was perfect but 2 things seem to be true for all the year's/movies:

 

1) If you do close or more than your production budget on the domestic market alone (and if your budget is over 15m) you do not loose real money.

 

2) If the world box office is bigger than 2.0  x (production budget + participation bonus for people that get them before movie profitability) you should break even, at least that was the case between 2006 and 2014, for an example of that formula is the girl with Girl with a dragoon tattoo. The movie lost 8m making 232million on a 111.87m net budget + 7.12m participation bonus, (111.87+7.12) * 2 = 238m, reaching that they would have been almost on the nose to break even.

 

3 to 3.5 can be required for movies that do their business mostly in theater with 3D ticket, China heavy, first dollar gross participation, the other way around for a big budget comedy a la Kevin Hart/Will Ferrell that will do almost all is business in the USA, and be popular on rental relative to is box office, could go lower than 2.0 time the budget.

Edited December 6, 2017 by Barnack

[Thrylos 7]

2 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said:

Didn't the director for Suicide Squad say 'f*ck marvel' to cheers?

 

and then made a shitfest himself? 

 

 

I dont think its a internet fanboy only thing. 

Has anyone from marvel ever said anything about anything dc-related ? Anyway JL bashing has become boring at this point. Happy about thor’s IW bump. About to pass Wonder Woman worldwide.

[Lordmandeep]

Been a while since I remember a trailer boosting a movie currently in release.

[ecstasy]

1 hour ago, ZeeSoh said:

Jason Momoa, David Ayer and Zack Snyder did not get that memo

LOL Don't forget about Matthew Modine.  I chuckle every time I think about his antics. 

[Rebeccas]

14 minutes ago, Thrylos 7 said:

Has anyone from marvel ever said anything about anything dc-related ? Anyway JL bashing has become boring at this point. Happy about thor’s IW bump. About to pass Wonder Woman worldwide.

I think Anthony Mackie at one point but that was like 5 years ago, even he can't be bothered anymore.

[cannastop]

 

Godly increases for Coco and Wonder!

 

And Coco is handily beating Moana in the dailies.

[a2k]

4 minutes ago, cannastop said:

 

Godly increases for Coco and Wonder!

 

And Coco is handily beating Moana in the dailies.

This weekend Coco should finally beat Moana. Against SW8 it may be mellow compared to Moana but should soon recover.

I think 230 dom is the floor while 240 is 50/50.

 

EDIT:

Looking at around 400 from Dom+China combined.

Mexico + Japan should be 55+45 = 100. (Could do more than 45 in Japan but let's compensate for dom+China missing 400 by some)

So 500 from 4 markets: dom+China+Mexico+Japan.

Moana did 303 from other markets (so excluding dom, China, Mexico, Japan). 

Coco should at least do 250 for 500+250 = 750 ww.

Edited December 6, 2017 by a2knet

[YM!]

God Damn at that Coco jump.

[TalismanRing]

Tuesday, December 5, 2017
 

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TD YD Title (Click to View) Studio Daily Gross % +/- YD / LW Theaters / Avg Gross To-Date Day 1 1 Coco BV $2,490,329 +67% -25% 3,987 $625 $114,094,216 14 2 2 Justice League WB $1,719,702 +51% -42% 3,820 $450 $200,264,849 19 3 3 Wonder LGF $1,394,244 +74% -28% 3,449 $404 $89,875,310 19 4 4 Thor: Ragnarok BV $1,023,330 +36% -12% 3,148 $325 $293,410,703 33 5 5 Murder on the Orient Express (2017) Fox $887,502 +53% -25% 3,201 $277 $86,308,555 26 6 6 Daddy's Home 2 Par. $753,242 +62% -15% 3,403 $221 $84,104,376 26 7 7 Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri FoxS $616,674 +43% +41% 1,430 $431 $14,584,574 26 8 8 Lady Bird A24 $559,199 +30% +12% 1,194 $468 $17,826,393 33 9 9 A Bad Moms Christmas STX $429,805 +55% -17% 2,251 $191 $65,444,960 35 10 10 The Star Sony $414,788 +84% +8% 2,822 $147 $27,998,217 19 11 11 Roman J. Israel, Esq. Sony $276,189 +52% -41% 1,669 $165 $9,985,302 19 12 12 The Disaster Artist A24 $105,590 +6% - 19 $5,557 $1,416,213 5 - - Blade Runner 2049 WB $59,469 +29% +11% 434 $137 $90,890,898 61 - - Titanic (20th Anniversary) Par. $40,664 +7% - 87 $467 $517,359 5 - - Marshall ORF $40,090 +44% +564% 651 $62 $9,217,983 54 - - Jigsaw LGF $21,911 +13% -33% 301 $73 $37,645,137 40 - - The Florida Project A24 $18,563 +15% -17% 120 $155 $4,889,251 61 - - The Shape of Water FoxS $16,808 +5% - 2 $8,404 $199,462 5 - - Last Flag Flying LGF $16,382 +26% -1% 110 $149 $849,621 33 - - Victoria and Abdul Focus $11,110 +19% -36% 131 $85 $22,062,390 75 - - Darkest Hour Focus $9,974 -9% -26% 4 $2,494 $432,793 14 - - The Foreigner STX $9,707 +29% +4% 130 $75 $34,232,826 54 - - It WB (NL) $9,432 +12% -25% 231 $41 $327,364,246 89 - - Let there be Light ADC $8,470 +40% -48% 121 $70 $7,133,644 40 - - Kingsman: The Golden Circle Fox $8,123 +14% -28% 163 $50 $100,067,840 75 - - The Killing of a Sacred Deer A24 $7,898 +11% -26% 41 $193 $2,205,074 47 - - The Mountain Between Us Fox $7,556 +51% -21% 167 $45 $29,934,137 61 - - Geostorm WB $7,421 +43% -14% 165 $45 $33,090,946 47 - - Tyler Perry's Boo 2! A Madea Halloween LGF $6,960 +28% -14% 212 $33 $47,175,047 47 - - American Made Uni. $6,460 +26% -5% 93 $69 $51,284,050 68 - - My Little Pony: The Movie LGF $4,769 +80% +174% 180 $26 $21,878,144 61 - - Despicable Me 3 Uni. $4,355 +35% -26% 152 $29 $264,486,920 159 - - Happy Death Day Uni. $3,495 +9% -20% 100 $35 $55,634,865 54 - - Same Kind of Different as Me PFR $1,401 +48% -33% 30 $47 $6,345,109 47 - - A Question Of Faith PFR $1,197 +3% -59% 21 $57 $2,582,380 68 - - Leap! Wein. $418 +28% -68% 29 $14 $21,857,497 103 - - Wind River Wein. $336 +18% -49% 9 $37 $33,800,390 124 - - Kepler's Dream INDEP $292 -2% - 11 $27 $2,172 5 - - The Stray Purd. $258 +27% -6% 6 $43 $1,575,857 61 - - Painted Woman Amor $207 +3% - 3 $69 $5,006 26
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[RamblinRed]

Wow at the jump for Coco. That's 5 of the last 7 days it has outpaced Moana. Over 300K more today.

it was only 9.5M back of Moana after the weekend, it is looking more likely it could get to 240 or more.

 

[a2k]

1 minute ago, RamblinRed said:

Wow at the jump for Coco. That's 5 of the last 7 days it has outpaced Moana. Over 300K more today.

it was only 9.5M back of Moana after the weekend, it is looking more likely it could get to 240 or more.

 

the 5-day ow was 73 for Coco vs 82 for Moana. Most of the gap is from that. else it has kept pace very well despite trailing over 1st 5 days by 9m.

[Brainiac5]

2 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

Tuesday, December 5, 2017
 

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TD YD Title (Click to View) Studio Daily Gross % +/- YD / LW Theaters / Avg Gross To-Date Day 1 1 Coco BV $2,490,329 +67% -25% 3,987 $625 $114,094,216 14 2 2 Justice League WB $1,719,702 +51% -42% 3,820 $450 $200,264,849 19 3 3 Wonder LGF $1,394,244 +74% -28% 3,449 $404 $89,875,310 19 4 4 Thor: Ragnarok BV $1,023,330 +36% -12% 3,148 $325 $293,410,703 33 5 5 Murder on the Orient Express (2017) Fox $887,502 +53% -25% 3,201 $277 $86,308,555 26 6 6 Daddy's Home 2 Par. $753,242 +62% -15% 3,403 $221 $84,104,376 26 7 7 Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri FoxS $616,674 +43% +41% 1,430 $431 $14,584,574 26 8 8 Lady Bird A24 $559,199 +30% +12% 1,194 $468 $17,826,393 33 9 9 A Bad Moms Christmas STX $429,805 +55% -17% 2,251 $191 $65,444,960 35 10 10 The Star Sony $414,788 +84% +8% 2,822 $147 $27,998,217 19 11 11 Roman J. Israel, Esq. Sony $276,189 +52% -41% 1,669 $165 $9,985,302 19 12 12 The Disaster Artist A24 $105,590 +6% - 19 $5,557 $1,416,213 5 - - Blade Runner 2049 WB $59,469 +29% +11% 434 $137 $90,890,898 61 - - Titanic (20th Anniversary) Par. $40,664 +7% - 87 $467 $517,359 5 - - Marshall ORF $40,090 +44% +564% 651 $62 $9,217,983 54 - - Jigsaw LGF $21,911 +13% -33% 301 $73 $37,645,137 40 - - The Florida Project A24 $18,563 +15% -17% 120 $155 $4,889,251 61 - - The Shape of Water FoxS $16,808 +5% - 2 $8,404 $199,462 5 - - Last Flag Flying LGF $16,382 +26% -1% 110 $149 $849,621 33 - - Victoria and Abdul Focus $11,110 +19% -36% 131 $85 $22,062,390 75 - - Darkest Hour Focus $9,974 -9% -26% 4 $2,494 $432,793 14 - - The Foreigner STX $9,707 +29% +4% 130 $75 $34,232,826 54 - - It WB (NL) $9,432 +12% -25% 231 $41 $327,364,246 89 - - Let there be Light ADC $8,470 +40% -48% 121 $70 $7,133,644 40 - - Kingsman: The Golden Circle Fox $8,123 +14% -28% 163 $50 $100,067,840 75 - - The Killing of a Sacred Deer A24 $7,898 +11% -26% 41 $193 $2,205,074 47 - - The Mountain Between Us Fox $7,556 +51% -21% 167 $45 $29,934,137 61 - - Geostorm WB $7,421 +43% -14% 165 $45 $33,090,946 47 - - Tyler Perry's Boo 2! A Madea Halloween LGF $6,960 +28% -14% 212 $33 $47,175,047 47 - - American Made Uni. $6,460 +26% -5% 93 $69 $51,284,050 68 - - My Little Pony: The Movie LGF $4,769 +80% +174% 180 $26 $21,878,144 61 - - Despicable Me 3 Uni. $4,355 +35% -26% 152 $29 $264,486,920 159 - - Happy Death Day Uni. $3,495 +9% -20% 100 $35 $55,634,865 54 - - Same Kind of Different as Me PFR $1,401 +48% -33% 30 $47 $6,345,109 47 - - A Question Of Faith PFR $1,197 +3% -59% 21 $57 $2,582,380 68 - - Leap! Wein. $418 +28% -68% 29 $14 $21,857,497 103 - - Wind River Wein. $336 +18% -49% 9 $37 $33,800,390 124 - - Kepler's Dream INDEP $292 -2% - 11 $27 $2,172 5 - - The Stray Purd. $258 +27% -6% 6 $43 $1,575,857 61 - - Painted Woman Amor $207 +3% - 3 $69 $5,006 26
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BVS day 19

 

2 2 

$1,867,311

26.6% / -54.3%

4,102 / $455         JL day 19   2 
$1,719,702

51.1% / -41.9%

3,820 / $450

Almost the same amount.

[Jordanstine]

14 minutes ago, RamblinRed said:

Wow at the jump for Coco. That's 5 of the last 7 days it has outpaced Moana. Over 300K more today.

it was only 9.5M back of Moana after the weekend, it is looking more likely it could get to 240 or more.

 

Sensing a Coco over JL dom or vice-versa club? 

[TwoMisfits]

30 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

Tuesday, December 5, 2017
 

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TD YD Title (Click to View) Studio Daily Gross % +/- YD / LW Theaters / Avg Gross To-Date Day 1 1 Coco BV $2,490,329 +67% -25% 3,987 $625 $114,094,216 14 2 2 Justice League WB $1,719,702 +51% -42% 3,820 $450 $200,264,849 19 3 3 Wonder LGF $1,394,244 +74% -28% 3,449 $404 $89,875,310 19 4 4 Thor: Ragnarok BV $1,023,330 +36% -12% 3,148 $325 $293,410,703 33 5 5 Murder on the Orient Express (2017) Fox $887,502 +53% -25% 3,201 $277 $86,308,555 26 6 6 Daddy's Home 2 Par. $753,242 +62% -15% 3,403 $221 $84,104,376 26 7 7 Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri FoxS $616,674 +43% +41% 1,430 $431 $14,584,574 26 8 8 Lady Bird A24 $559,199 +30% +12% 1,194 $468 $17,826,393 33 9 9 A Bad Moms Christmas STX $429,805 +55% -17% 2,251 $191 $65,444,960 35 10 10 The Star Sony $414,788 +84% +8% 2,822 $147 $27,998,217 19 11 11 Roman J. Israel, Esq. Sony $276,189 +52% -41% 1,669 $165 $9,985,302 19 12 12 The Disaster Artist A24 $105,590 +6% - 19 $5,557 $1,416,213 5 - - Blade Runner 2049 WB $59,469 +29% +11% 434 $137 $90,890,898 61 - - Titanic (20th Anniversary) Par. $40,664 +7% - 87 $467 $517,359 5 - - Marshall ORF $40,090 +44% +564% 651 $62 $9,217,983 54 - - Jigsaw LGF $21,911 +13% -33% 301 $73 $37,645,137 40 - - The Florida Project A24 $18,563 +15% -17% 120 $155 $4,889,251 61 - - The Shape of Water FoxS $16,808 +5% - 2 $8,404 $199,462 5 - - Last Flag Flying LGF $16,382 +26% -1% 110 $149 $849,621 33 - - Victoria and Abdul Focus $11,110 +19% -36% 131 $85 $22,062,390 75 - - Darkest Hour Focus $9,974 -9% -26% 4 $2,494 $432,793 14 - - The Foreigner STX $9,707 +29% +4% 130 $75 $34,232,826 54 - - It WB (NL) $9,432 +12% -25% 231 $41 $327,364,246 89 - - Let there be Light ADC $8,470 +40% -48% 121 $70 $7,133,644 40 - - Kingsman: The Golden Circle Fox $8,123 +14% -28% 163 $50 $100,067,840 75 - - The Killing of a Sacred Deer A24 $7,898 +11% -26% 41 $193 $2,205,074 47 - - The Mountain Between Us Fox $7,556 +51% -21% 167 $45 $29,934,137 61 - - Geostorm WB $7,421 +43% -14% 165 $45 $33,090,946 47 - - Tyler Perry's Boo 2! A Madea Halloween LGF $6,960 +28% -14% 212 $33 $47,175,047 47 - - American Made Uni. $6,460 +26% -5% 93 $69 $51,284,050 68 - - My Little Pony: The Movie LGF $4,769 +80% +174% 180 $26 $21,878,144 61 - - Despicable Me 3 Uni. $4,355 +35% -26% 152 $29 $264,486,920 159 - - Happy Death Day Uni. $3,495 +9% -20% 100 $35 $55,634,865 54 - - Same Kind of Different as Me PFR $1,401 +48% -33% 30 $47 $6,345,109 47 - - A Question Of Faith PFR $1,197 +3% -59% 21 $57 $2,582,380 68 - - Leap! Wein. $418 +28% -68% 29 $14 $21,857,497 103 - - Wind River Wein. $336 +18% -49% 9 $37 $33,800,390 124 - - Kepler's Dream INDEP $292 -2% - 11 $27 $2,172 5 - - The Stray Purd. $258 +27% -6% 6 $43 $1,575,857 61 - - Painted Woman Amor $207 +3% - 3 $69 $5,006 26
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Damn at that Star number...if only it actually opened higher:)...8% higher week over week - what was yesterday go to the movies as a family day?:)

[RandomCat]

I like that Wonder Jump.

[B D Joe]

Is Coco definitely going to be without the Frozen short starting Friday?

[cannastop]

2 minutes ago, B D Joe said:

Is Coco definitely going to be without the Frozen short starting Friday?

Yes.

[weresweresweres]

2 hours ago, Barnack said:

It is a bit more complex than that.

 

Studio made a nice 20m profit on a movie like this one (that would have never made 300-350m):

 

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ferrellwahlberg2010.htm

The Other Guys

Production Budget: $100 million

 

Total Lifetime Grosses

Domestic:	$119,219,978	70.0%
+ Foreign:	$51,212,949	30.0%
= Worldwide:	$170,432,927

 

Around 1.7 time it's budget, the all time record I did find for a Sony movie reaching profitability with the lowest ratio was that one:

 

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=gridirongang.htm

Production Budget: $30 million

Total Lifetime Grosses

Domestic:	$38,432,823	92.7%
+ Foreign:	$3,048,028	7.3%
= Worldwide:	$41,480,851

 

 

It's real budget was 33m, made 1.26 time it's budget, Sony made 2.680 (not million, 2 thousand bucks).

 

While they lost money on Men In Black 3 and Angels&Demon.

 

The type of movie, year of release, the size of the budget (a 4 million movie with a 25 million world release will be quite different than a 300m movie with a 185m world release), the actor and investor deal on how they share the revenues, will all impact.

 

Never achieved to find a rules of thumb that was perfect but 2 things seem to be true for all the year's/movies:

 

1) If you do close or more than your production budget on the domestic market alone (and if your budget is over 15m) you do not loose real money.

 

2) If the world box office is bigger than 2.0  x (production budget + participation bonus for people that get them before movie profitability) you should break even, at least that was the case between 2006 and 2014, for an example of that formula is the girl with Girl with a dragoon tattoo. The movie lost 8m making 232million on a 111.87m net budget + 7.12m participation bonus, (111.87+7.12) * 2 = 238m, reaching that they would have been almost on the nose to break even.

 

3 to 3.5 can be required for movies that do their business mostly in theater with 3D ticket, China heavy, first dollar gross participation, the other way around for a big budget comedy a la Kevin Hart/Will Ferrell that will do almost all is business in the USA, and be popular on rental relative to is box office, could go lower than 2.0 time the budget.

 

Thank you for explanation. Your post is wonderful, and mine is shitty, because what i meant to say was that movies has to earn 3-3.5x it's budget to break even in cinemas before blueray, dvd, rental, tv. I think it's not possible to predict how much has to JL earn to break even because they will earn a lot of money thanks to merchandises. 

[weresweresweres]

2 hours ago, ecstasy said:

LOL Don't forget about Matthew Modine.  I chuckle every time I think about his antics. 

 

[SteveJaros]

Justice League surges past $200m DOM!